Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick M. McCabe

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete - yed I ignored the IP shenanigans .Blnguyen | rant-line 02:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patrick M. McCabe

I can't find references to this author online, nor can I find this author's books in libraries or bookstores. Also, it appears the editors who create articles about McCabe, his characters and his stories make very few edits to Wikipedia not relating to this author. I'm not knowledgeable about contemporary Australian literature, so I would like someone to correct me if this figure is indeed notable. The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 15:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reasons:

• The Journey (short story)
• Juntin

--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 16:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• Add Daniel McCabe to the list. Ansell 02:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Add People_You_See_On_Trains, another imagined story by this non-existent author. This user is entering multiple articles on non-existing subjects. This is presumably a joke on his "solipsist" user name. - Corporal Tunnel 16:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

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• Delete the lot!. Unverifiable probable hoaxes. Dlyons493 Talk 20:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I can't find any evidence of this author having any significance. Capitalistroadster 02:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all. Hoaxes due to their unverifiability. Ansell 02:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 02:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. 21 Ghits for "Patrick M. McCabe"of which 2 relevant - both from wiki. Not to be confused with an Irish writer Patrick McCabe. Note that the page Australian literature was modified by User:58.84.69.110 to link up that page to McCabe, with no other history of edits. Ohconfucius 04:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Don't Delete. As an Adelaide resident with interests in the short story world, I have indeed heard of McCabe. Admittedly he is not incredibly well-known, but this page is NOT a hoax. All facts and stories listed in this article are completely true. Solipsist3 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.80.185.196 (talk • contribs) .
• Don't Delete. Being an Adelaide resident, i often spend my time reading short stories by unknown authors, i find reading stories from fresh talent refreshing, Patrick M. McCabe is definitely one of the best new talets lately and many people i know have read his works. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.80.185.196 (talk • contribs) .
• Don't Delete* I have read both of the remarkable works by Patrick M. McCabe, 'The Journey' and 'People you meet on Trains', and i must say that the fact that some ignoramus would put this page up for deletion is an insult to those of us who actually have any knowledge of local literature. murrajm006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.80.185.196 (talk • contribs) .
• Further note from Solipsist3: I'm sorry, but I don't understand. If this was a hoax wouldn't it be a little more, well, funny?

  Note: multiple votes by same user. User: Solipsist3 is the creator and main editor of the article in question. User:murrajm006 does not exist, signature is forged. --Canley 03:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Hoax or so non-notable as to be unverifiable. Add to that the deception attempted by the article creator and main editor and you have the makings of a good delete. ju66l3r 03:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
• Don't delete. I can verify that this author does exist. His work is not widly published and wouldn't appear on many search enjines. As for your book store may i suggest that you venture past your local K-Mart literature section, and into a more eductated book store —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.80.185.196 (talk • contribs) .
• Don't Delete. I just finished mentioning how glad I was that Wikipedia finally has an article on McCabe, my literary hero, in the discussion page. Now, to find that the page is threatened with deletion, I am utterly enraged! Why would you assume something is somehow unworthy of Wikipedia fame just because you haven't heard of it? McCabe is one of Adelaide's finest writers, and it is a great insult to the city and to this great man to remove this article. If I find that this article is deleted, I will never use Wikipedia again, and will ask all of my friends to do the same. Don't delete it, please! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.80.185.196 (talk • contribs) .
• Don't delete. Delete this clown. Patrick M. Mccabe is a hoax. I confridently confirm this with reference to the background research i executed on this character. His acclaimed works as an Australian short strory writer are lies to say the least. DELETE!! DELETE!! DELETE!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.80.185.196 (talk • contribs) .

• Comment: Six "Don't delete" recommendations from the same IP address, including one insulting the subject? This is looking less like ardent defence of the article, and more like straight out vandalism. --Canley 06:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

• Don't delete I am the original creator of this article, and I would like to apologise for some of the above comments. I know it looks quite suspicious that all these messages were sent from the same IP address but there is a valid explanation. I am a high school student and a fan of the admittedly little-known author Patrick M. McCabe. I was a relative Wikipedia novice and was pleased to create this article and see it accepted by the Wikipedia community. When it was nominated for deletion, for reasons which I am still unsure of, I was upset and asked various school friends to help save my article from deletion by sending messages of support. I did not realise that apparently every computer in our extensive school network shares the same IP address. Also, as can be seen, some of my friends did not take my request seriously. Some insulted me; some insulted McCabe and others insulted other Wikipedia users. My apologies to any offended Wikipedia users. However, some friends did take this seriously and their points are legitimate ones, not to be dismissed simply because they came from the same IP address. I hope this dispels some of the suspicion my article has aroused. I assure you that Patrick M. McCabe is a real – albeit little-known – short story author. I would dispute the claim that he is too obscure to warrant an article, after all, even ‘Big Brother’ contestants seem to be worthy of Wikipedia articles. The article and related articles contain no lies or deception other than the natural bias that may have surfaced due to my being an admirer of McCabe.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.84.67.187 (talk • contribs) .

  To put our predicament here simply, we have absolutely no way to know whether what you are saying is right... or wrong. There is no evidence of this person existing as an australian author that any of the contributors here could find, and most authors have their books reviewed in journals, or have them on amazon even. The fact that none of that exists means that the central "neutrality" policy that we are guided by here cannot be fulfilled because not enough people have put forward outsider comments on this person. Ansell 11:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

• Don't delete.Mr. Patrick M. McCabe is a beacon of success. I was fortunate enough to meet him at one of his very exclusive book signings in his home town. I think Patrick would find it greatly offensive his position on Wikipedia is facing deletion. Recommended to me by a friend, “People you see on trains” would have to be Patrick’s most famous short story, and personally my favourite. This is a request for Patrick to not be deleted from Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.80.185.196 (talk • contribs) .
• Don't delete. I have read Mr McCabes Stories, i believe that short story writers get to little publicity and this is due to articles like this being deleted.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by JunkFilter (talk • contribs) .
  • This is the editors only contribution to Wikipedia. Ansell 02:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
  • everyone needs a first edit, that proves nothing, i have only just dicovered wikipedia myself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WikiWebUser (talk • contribs) .
• Delete. The works of Patrick McCabe are unverifieable. His alleged works of art are imaginations of the mind, infact he is a demented little boy who takes delight in fooling other people. I would support the deletion of his article from wikipedia.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.80.185.196 (talk • contribs)
  • this guy is clealy just having a joke, he give no evidence of this and this should just be considered vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.80.185.196 (talk • contribs)
• Delete The "admittedly little-known author Patrick M. McCabe" has no place here until he is the much better known author Patrick M. McCabe, and the article writer knows this. Probable hoax, and whether it's true or not it utterly fails any test for notability. - Corporal Tunnel 14:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

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