Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pat Kelly (Irish singer/songwriter)

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The result was delete. Kurykh 00:34, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pat Kelly (Irish singer/songwriter)

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No evidence of notability or demonstration that Kelly passes WP:MUSIC - no discussion of signing to a label, hits, coverage in reliable sources, awards, theme songs or any of the other criteria. WLU (talk) 16:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

• please check the following, independent source for more information on the artist PAT KELLY: [1] 84.198.184.60 (talk) 17:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  • This still does not help the page pass WP:MUSIC - it is a slightly more independent source for the info on the page, but there's still no evidence that he's notable. WLU (talk) 18:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

what exactly must the criteria be?. here is an independent singer/songwriter who ha a good career in the Benelux countries and Scandinavia. He has published 2 solo albums - sure, no big record deal but all tracks self written, recorded and published by the artist and GEMA (germany) and BUMA STEMRA (holland) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.198.184.60 (talk • contribs)

WP:MUSIC is most relevant, though WP:N is also a concern. You're mistaking a 'good' musician, who writes and plays his own music, with a 'notable' one, who has received, large amounts of coverage in some sort of press venue. Touring and producing albums isn't notable, lots of people do so. There needs to be some evidence that he's received attention beyond the crowds he's played for. WLU (talk) 18:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

_{Note: Please refrain from editing out comments in an AfD. Even tangential comments deserve to be heard in the discussion -- RoninBK T C 17:38, 19 January 2008 (UTC)}

• Keep. Seems to pass WP:MUSIC per the 4 full-length albums on the Aquarius Records label, a seemingly rather important indie label. Mangojuice^talk 18:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

• • I looked for him on Aquarius and I couldn't find him in the Store or the links pages. Am I looking on the wrong website, or the wrong section? Kelly states that all of them are published by Aquarius Music, which does not seem to have a wikipedia page. If I'm reading his page for the albums correctly [2] [3] [4] [5], Aquarius music has produced four CDs - his (admittedly speculation). This looks like self-publication to me, not attention and publication from a label. His CDs appear to be on sale through CDbaby, which doesn't seem to be a label, it's an on-line store. WLU (talk) 17:40, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Changed to delete. Yup, that seems to check out. Mangojuice^talk 19:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 13:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, doesn't meet any criteria of WP:MUSIC. The albums don't appear to be on the notable Aquarius label, but rather on a different unrelated label. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 23:23, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.