Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parks Junior High School
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. (ESkog)(Talk) 14:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Parks Junior High School
Non-notable junior high school Guroadrunner 00:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete No signs of notability, no references. TJ Spyke 00:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - really struggling to find anything N about this one. "Lunch consists of a burrito, Papa Johns Pizza, Chinese Food, hamburger, chicken sandwich, Monzerella sticks, fried chicken or a Subway Sandwich" - good to see CA schools are serving a nice balanced diet — iridescenti (talk to me!) 00:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete No assertion of notability and no references. — Wenli 01:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Lunch options?! Where'd that come from?Shindo9Hikaru 02:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per above. --Yarnalgo talk to me 02:59, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Article made explicit claims of notability and appropriate references have been added to support the claim. The school has been recognized twice by the Blue Ribbon Schools Program, the nation's highest award for a school. Non-encyclopedic content mentioned above has been removed. It's amazing what can be accomplished when your goal is to improve articles rather than just get rid of them. I sincerely hope that those individuals who have already participated will reconsider their votes in light of the explicitly supported claim of notability. Alansohn 04:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Prior to your edit the article made no "explicit claim to notability" whatsoever - the only claims in the version which was nominated were "The Parks Instrumental Band and String Orchestra are great music programs" (twice), "The Parks volleyball team took 2nd in the county finals in 2005", and "the advanced choir group has performed at festivals and has received prestigious awards". While I do believe we ought to have articles on most high schools, I'm still not convinced there's anything about this particular junior high school to pass WP:ORG. Of the four references added, two are about other schools & don't mention this school once, while the other two are both just laundry lists of schools with nothing to single this one out — iridescenti (talk to me!) 11:37, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Keep Agree with Alansohn. Parts of the article are unencyclopaedic doesn't mean we have to delete the entire article. Article looks decent enough after the edits done by Alansohn although I don't mind if A day at Parks and Extra-Curricular Activities sections go too. - TwoOars (T | C) 06:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Reply Chop away... Alansohn 10:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Perhaps some of the usual defenders of school articles could go to WP:NOTE and start a discussion to establish notability guidelines for schools such as the Blue Ribbon program mentioned above. I see the same for and against arguments here for most every nom. In my opinion this is a waste of our time and effort. I personally think very few schools are notable but in the absence of guidelines to use, what other basis is there for a !vote? I just read that 85% of school AfD's result in no consensus or keep, so establish some guidelines and lets stop wasting time and effort. If the end result is that all schools are notable, so be it, I disagree but we all have better things to do, including the supporters.--killing sparrows (chirp!) 11:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Reply We desperately need to find some agreement on what constitutes notability for schools. After two failed efforts at WP:SCHOOLS, we only seem further apart on finding any middle ground. While I believe that most elementary or junior highs would have a great deal of trouble providing sources to establish notability, most high schools would have no trouble finding appropriate sources to justify retention. Alansohn 11:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Reply - I strongly agree. I personally feel that secondary schools or their equivalents are almost always N as they generally have a significant impact on both their community and their students, whilst primary schools, junior highs etc don't, but am well aware this is purely a subjective view. I also agree the current situation wastes everyone's time rehashing the same debate. Also, applying WP:ORG to schools - the closest we have to a current criteria - exacerbates systemic bias since schools in the US & Canada are far more likely to have web sources than those elsewhere — iridescenti (talk to me!) 12:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Reply We desperately need to find some agreement on what constitutes notability for schools. After two failed efforts at WP:SCHOOLS, we only seem further apart on finding any middle ground. While I believe that most elementary or junior highs would have a great deal of trouble providing sources to establish notability, most high schools would have no trouble finding appropriate sources to justify retention. Alansohn 11:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete I agree with the above desire to establish a clear guideline for notability. Personally, I feel the standard set on the German and French wikis (i.a.) are good - i.e. schools considered as such are non-notable. As is the case here. I respect that some will disagree with that standard, which is of course the ongoing source of acrimony (no names) in these debates stretching back 3 years now. Eusebeus 14:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Reply The article makes explicit claims of notability, supported by reliable and verifiable sources. Alansohn 19:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete: fails WP:V, WP:NN. I concur on the need for notability standards, but as far as this particular one goes, this Blue Ribbon School citation - which is waved as prima facie evidence of notability - gets pulled out on damn near every junior high school AfD. I'm coming to believe that the award is nowhere remotely close to being as notable as all of that. RGTraynor 15:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Reply Are you claiming that you have been unable to click on the links provided to verify the sources provided? Are any schools notable? This is just a long-winded version of the unacceptable, Just not notable. Refer to a genuine Wikipedia policy, not your personal whims and arbitrary beliefs. Alansohn 19:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- I am claiming that those links constitute trivial mentions, and are not sources discussing the schools at any length that meets policy requirements. RGTraynor 01:34, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- Reply Are you claiming that you have been unable to click on the links provided to verify the sources provided? Are any schools notable? This is just a long-winded version of the unacceptable, Just not notable. Refer to a genuine Wikipedia policy, not your personal whims and arbitrary beliefs. Alansohn 19:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete doesn't seem any more notable than any most other high schools nominated for deletion. Acalamari 18:14, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Reply The article makes an explicit claim of notability, having been recognized twice as a Blue Ribbon school, the highest honor an American schol can receive. That puts it among a group of about one schools in a thousand nationwide. Alansohn 19:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- That would be a credible argument, except how come about three schools out of four up for AfD suddenly have these Blue Ribbon citations spring up? What's your source for the one in a thousand figure? RGTraynor 01:34, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- Keep, because of clear signs of notability. --24.154.173.243 21:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Reply The article makes an explicit claim of notability, having been recognized twice as a Blue Ribbon school, the highest honor an American schol can receive. That puts it among a group of about one schools in a thousand nationwide. Alansohn 19:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. -- Noroton 15:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Delete per nom --TREYWiki 01:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. MetsFan76 02:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
- Keep for two blue ribbons per WP:N. FWIW, I don't think the school +s and -s are that far apart at the moment, as many of the recent school AfDs have had good consensus. There will always be a minority of +++s and ---s who refuse to accept any reasonable compromise. While their input is valid, I don't think we should let them prevent the community as a whole from reaching some kind of middle ground. --Butseriouslyfolks
- Delete per everyone above. Lacks notability. Arbustoo 05:29, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable school. Sorry. Lankiveil 10:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
- Keep.Award winning school. Nice article with good references. --JJay 12:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. The trivial parts of the article have been removed (see [1]). As for notability, the school is a Blue Ribbon school ... placing it in the top 10% of schools in California. Surely a nationally-recognised school can be considered notable. Most of the arguments to delete (including the nom's) so far have consisted of claims that it is "just not notable" without any explanation or justification. -- Black Falcon (Talk) 07:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
