Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Park City Center

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete - by consensus and rebuttal of Kappa's comment. Also JYolowski's comment that it is verifiable and NOR, doen't mean that it passes notability.Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 07:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Park City Center

Non-notable shopping mall that isn't even really a mall: it's a shopping center that is only partially enclosed. (Here's a pic.) Its only claim to fame seems to be that it's the "largest enclosed shopping center in south-central Pennsylvania". I repeat, south-central Pennsylvania. wikipediatrix 21:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep South-central Pennsylvania's got a million people in its own right. Even if it didn't, at over a million square feet, it's still large enough to warrant notability. Nearly every recent mall AFD has closed as keep or no consensus. Kirjtc2 23:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

This seems more of a shopping center to me. And I've seen several mall AfDs end in deletion.

• Keep, how are we supposed to make an encylopedia of retail outlets activity in south-central Pennsylvania without covering this? Kappa 00:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is WP:NOT a directory of retail outlets. Do you consider all retail outlets in south-central Pennsylvania notable for Wikipedia, then? Why? wikipediatrix 01:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Normally, I'd assume that Kappa's comment was a joke, but then, it's Kappa making it. Why in God's name would this be a good idea? --Calton | Talk 02:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

All verifiable malls are notable enough to be considered part of the sum of human knowledge and to deserve an encylopedic treatment. I will substitute "outlets" with "activity" since I'm not so bothered about corner shops and 7-11s. Kappa 02:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Really? Why not? If they have verifiable data... JoshuaZ 02:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, verifiable and not OR. JYolkowski // talk 02:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC) Actually, maybe a merge to Lancaster, Pennsylvania would be good too. JYolkowski // talk 02:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Utterly non-notable shopping mall, and this not being the Yellow Pages, no reason to be here. The alleged superlative only indicates that if you draw your boundaries narrowly enough, you can claim nearly anything: "The largest enclosed shopping center in Lancaster County!", "The largest enclosed shopping center in Lancaster, Pennsyvania!", etc. --Calton | Talk 02:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete As a non-notable shopping center. JoshuaZ 03:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malls-related deletions. -- Kappa 04:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
• KEEP and do not merge, all retail stores in Lancaster, Pennsylvania are notable and deserve articles. --ForbiddenWord 18:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Is that a serious claim? Do you think that any random retail store is notable and deserves an article? JoshuaZ 01:53, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. No independent non-promotional coverage to establish that this isn't just another set of four walls and a roof. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, notable to people from and around Lancaster, Pennsylvania. bbx 01:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

  Could you please add references to the article to substantiate this claim? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:05, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Malls are in the business of renting space to retail outlets. That makes WP:CORP the applicable standard. No assertion or evidence of meeting WP:CORP through coverage about the mall in independent reliable sources. GRBerry 12:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • ... Kappa 12:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Yet another shopping center that is so lacking in notability that we will never have credible, third-party sources to verify the information here. --Satori Son 00:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Article provides no claims of notability. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 01:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Like usual, User:Kappa makes an excellent case for inclusion. Clearly just a stub at this point, but that is no reason to delete an article on a local retail center with potential interest for encyclopedia readers. --JJay 03:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Malls are not generally notable, or are we soon going to do articles on every friggin mall, store, etc on the planet. •Jim62sch• 12:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Arbusto 02:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as a failure of the criteria of any morphing of WP:CORP.--Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 21:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:CORP. And at the risk of being redundant: my cornerstore currently sells cigarettes and is open until midnight. That is well-known information to people in my neighborhood. How will we ever document cornerstores in Quebec City if we don't include that cornerstore? Pascal.Tesson 04:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

  I don't think anyone will feel betrayed if you don't document cornerstores in Quebec City. Kappa 04:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

  Then why have articles about semi-enclosed shopping centers with no apparent third-party coverage or analysis? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Naconkantari 22:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination... local shopping center with no credible claim of notability.--Isotope23 15:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.