Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pano2QTVR

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete Ryan Postlethwaite 13:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pano2QTVR

Pano2QTVR (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

The page was created by Wuz, who is Thomas, the developer. It is a barely notable software package and as such it seems to be simply a method of promoting his sites. Localzuk(talk) 18:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Error in nomination Please check the page history. The page was not created by me, I just reverted vandalism. I have added a notability section at the talk page. --Wuz 00:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Thomas: It doesn't matter if your friend Yuval created the page or you did. The only purpose of this page is to promote your software. You may be able to find a panorama utilities page that you can get away attaching your link to but having a page dedicated to your commercial software is over the top. John Spikowski 04:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
To put some light on the reasons for this AfD I should mention the sponsors of John Spikowski are Kekus, RealViz, Easypano,.... [1] which are competing products. --Wuz 12:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Per nom. Stoic atarian 06:27, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Ok, my nom is slightly wrong but the editors of this and related panotools pages are all interlinked with the various projects and commercial ventures - seems like a giant promotional effort by some. Localzuk(talk) 10:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I think the Panorama Tools page is valid and should be part of the Wikipedia. It's the foundation to spherical panorama creation and other projections. The other commercial products listed are taking a free ride on the page. When Yuval Levy discovered the Wikipedia, he created a page for many of the software products that are peer supported on the PanoToolsNG list. (see also - section pages) John Spikowski 10:40, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment : Localzuk, since you are the one who created this AfD could you please be so nice and comment the initial nom (it's a nomination, right?) in a way so that we have a valid statement to debate upon? I'm a little bit confused about what might be the reason to delete the article. What makes you think that this app should not have it's own article? Thanks. Just for the record, I don't even have a PC that can use this software, I'm interested in the software because it's AFAIK the only app on the market that has the feature list of Apple's old QTVRAS - which I still work with on a dedicated Mac. Someday I might have to buy a PC and it will be because of software like pano2qtvr! Einemnet 17:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete The content of this page is a duplicate of whats on the Panorama Stitchers, Viewers and Utilities page. John Spikowski 09:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Sorry, it's the other way 'round: it looks as if you grabbed content from several articles like PTLens, Pano2QTVR and PTgui and maybe several others to feed your newly set up article Panorama_Stitchers,_Viewers_and_Utilities before asking to delete the original articles. Einemnet 20:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Carl, Editing the Wikipedia doesn't require approval from the PanotoolsNG management. The combining of the panorama promotional pages into a page with some notability to it is what the Wikipedia is about. The Panorama Stitchers, Viewers and Utilities is a unbiased page giving all panorama offering equal treatment. (something your management group has a hard time understanding)
  • Keep The article needs some more work but is important since it's about a very specialized software for post-processing of panoramas and VR objects, see QuickTime_VR#Objects . It has features that Apple provided long ago with the (classic) application "QuickTime VR Authoring Studio", a software that is missed on new Macs. After adding some content and a link to a review it looks to me better than another example from the same category Freeware: EasyOffice. There are small projects with small articles but I think it's worth to give them both (article and software) a chance to develop. Einemnet 19:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Can I just point out to whoever closes this that many of the editors who have !voted on this are linked to either the software itself or a competing project. Localzuk(talk) 19:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Good point. I'm happy to see outside interest in the Panorama Stitchers, Viewers and Utilities page validity process. John Spikowski 20:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Hello Localzuk, an AfD is AFAIK a debate and not a vote. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I see it as a discussion where comments as well as specific keep or delete recommendations can be commented by other wikipedians with the aim of reaching a consensus about the future of the respectice article. Keep or delete is just a statement from a person that can or should be commented by others. So we are not talking about votes here, are we? Einemnet 16:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
      • Hence the negation of 'voted' in my comment using the exclamation mark (you will notice this being used by many editors when they refer to xFD's, the other practice is to strike through the word - it is a tongue in cheek reference to the fact that these are discussions and not votes). I am merely pointing out that you, Wuz, and Jogn Spikowski are all members of this project, linked to this project or in a competing project. Feel free to comment, but don't comment spam (you don't have to reply to every comment...).-Localzuk(talk) 16:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. This article reads too much like advertising or promotion, and does not have adequate support from reliable sources. The Panorama Tools article I think makes the grade, but not this one. EdJohnston 04:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The article needs some more work, I agree, but the software is a kind of one-and-only for a lot of reasons, for extracting cube faces from panos, realizing QTVR objects (it is the only fully featured pro tool to do it) Even in the freeware version it is an invaluable compain to make .mov panoramas from stitched equirectangulars. It is a software we continously refer to, in the panoramic photography world. it would be nice if someone googles it he could find a reference in the wiki. luca.vascon
    • Note: The above user is an anonymous user signing as a non-existent user.-Localzuk(talk) 16:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Note: If it's Luca Vascon from Venice, Italy, he is a professor at the University in Venice and host of the 2005 Panotools meeting. We should ask him to set up a valid wikipedia account if he's willing to join the discussion and or contribute to articles. At least he is signing with his real name. If someone suspects a sock puppet an administrator should check his IP address. Einemnet 16:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Can we get feedback from others not directly associated with the project? Lets focus on the reason the page is up for deletion which is notability and if a the software should stand on it's own rather then being part of the Panorama Stitchers, Viewers and Utilities page. John Spikowski 20:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep.Yuv 04:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep This article should be kept.
  • Keep This article should be kept. And it would be better for John Spikowski to close his private war against the PanoTools community
  • Keep.150.187.28.25 11:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Re:The previous 4 responses. -- This is not a vote. Please provide an argument based on policy. --OnoremDil 13:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Will (We're flying the flag all over the world) 13:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.