Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PanelWhiz

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE. Herostratus 17:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PanelWhiz

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Some resistance to speedy deletion, but equally there is no claim to notability and no evidence of independent coverage. So: a spammy article on a charityware software product. Guy (Help!) 15:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete unless evidence can be found that this is more important than any other statistical-analysis software. - iridescenti (talk to me!) 17:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

*Comment I lack sufficient expertise to judge this article but for future reference, the notability guideline in question is WP:SOFTWARE i kan reed 22:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep. This software tool (which I've used) will not meet WP's criteria of demonstrated notability and independent coverage. It probably never will. In this case, however, I'd argue for WP:IAR. For new economics researchers this software will save them months of work coming to grips with the complexity of the world's largest panel surveys, where many thousands of variables are stored in hundred of files. Choosing the right variables in the right files and making CPI adjustments and ensuring that variations in question administration have been fixed and setting up the panel data in a long longitudinal file and applying the appropriate population weight is not straightforward. So this is a niche piece of software which would only interest economists and social scientists working on one or more of the world's largest panel surveys (German, British, USA, Canadian and Australian). Keeping this page does not decrement Wikipedia's quality. Cheers Clappingsimon talk 09:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep despite failing policy and never likely to meet it? Cute :-) Guy (Help!) 12:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep: Working with panel datasets is usualy very complex. For example the GSOEP survey is running now for 23 waves and includes more than 30000 variables. PanelWhiz offers features to build items of corresponding variables over the years. This a large assistance for researchers. But the ambitious effort/idea of PanelWhiz is to integrate several importent panel studies. So it can help to make research questions and results internationaly comparable. That is why PanelWhiz is more important than any other statistical-analysis software. Isieber
  • Delete This isn't a case for WP:IAR. If the darned software is so useful, then surely it will get independent media coverage and we can start an article when that happens. Jehochman (talk/contrib) 19:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment User:DeNew has an apparent conflict of interest related to PanelWiz. Virtually all of his edits are about this article or links to www.panelwiz.com. Jehochman (talk/contrib) 19:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Despite more calls for deletion, please reconsider Dear Fellow Editors, there have been several suggestions that it is "just another stats package". please be aware that there is nothing with similar functionality in the world. it is unique. it's main function is to provide a user firendly standardized platform for data extraction from very complicated household paneldata sets. it enhances the command set of Stata with several hundreds of new commands (indeed with plugins, this is more like several 1000s of new commands). these are simply the facts. Sincerely, John Haisken-DeNew 19:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC).

Sincerely, DeNew 09:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Link to German panel data provider SOEP: [SOEP News] See second entry.

Sincerely, DeNew 10:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete - if this is a notable product you can direct us to some multiple non-trivial independant sources? I don't see them in the article so delete until provided. Spartaz Humbug! 19:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks to all involved. Unfortunate that PanelWhiz could not be included. Best wishes to all. Cheers, John Haisken-DeNew 07:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as being, thus far, insufficiently notable. Article can be recreated if and when subject recieves non-trivial coverage by reliable, third-party sources. -- Satori Son 18:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete I throw suspicion even to the links provided by DeNew. Both refer to a Dr John Haisken-DeNew which is User:DeNew The links seem to be directly impacted by your personal effort for publication on the product, rather than independent coverage. While I cannot deny that there is a definite possiblity that this is a worthwhile and useful program, verifiability isn't established. In fact, the program only works for two data sets: The German SOEP from 1984-2005 and the Australian HILDA from 2001-2004.[1], which happen to be the the source of the two links DeNew has provided. Kevin_b_er 03:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Last comment before I sign off: I'm not sure if "suspicion" is the right word here. just to clarify, the program now works with 6 data sets. three more are being prepared now. the three american data sets that PanelWhiz additionally supports, CPS-NBER, CPS-CEPR and SIPP have yet to be added to the contract but they are there. they are new. i simply have to update the contract. i haven't done that yet unfortunately. one addiitonal german data set is ready and will be announced by the data provider within days, i expect. Like I said, three further data sets are under development here. I can and do understand your issues with the entry and can and do understand that you would like / will delete it. However, please do understand, it was added "with the best of intentions", which is what we are all supposed to be assuming here. i just started in Wiki, with something i knew a lot about. it was not an exercise in self-agrandisement. it was a genuine attempt to help people. i understand your issues and i know/accept that you will delete the PanelWhiz entry. I thank you all for your time and wish you luck on your Wiki project. cheers, Dr. John P. Haisken-DeNew 08:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC) (User DeNew)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.