Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pan Am Flight 125

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The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 ^talk 21:59, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pan Am Flight 125

Non-notable flight where a cabin door opened in-flight. Probably scary as hell, but not encyclopedic, especially considering the 21 Google hits for "Pan Am Flight 125". ral315 08:02, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

• Delete - agreed. CDC (talk) 15:52, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, nn. Pavel Vozenilek 16:05, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Air disasters are notable, but this sounds more like a mishap. Has TLC even made a dramatization of it? Pburka 17:10, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete scary for those onboard, I'm sure, but I don't see how this is notable. --Etacar11 23:48, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Even with rewrite, I still don't think it merits its own article. --Etacar11 16:59, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Thanks for giving it a second look. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 17:09, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
      • No prob. The others may all change their minds and say keep, of course... :) --Etacar11 17:13, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. This is probably a rare enough incident to be encyclopedic. There was an incident investigation, which I'll precis in the article. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 16:12, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
  • NOTE: I have completely rewritten this, but there's more to add (including proper references!) which I'll do if it's kept. This is not just an incident that the passengers found a little frightening, it is one that has been referred to in other, more serious incidents, as an example of failure of locking components and procedures on passenger jets. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 16:29, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. maltmomma 17:33, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Seems to be a fairly minor incident. --Carnildo 20:43, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment Relatively minor in its immediate effects, but a sign of worse to come. The cause was mechanical failure probably due to the actions of a loading personnel. The incident is cited as a prior cargo door incident in the NTSB's investigation into United Airlines Flight 811. In that accident, nine passengers were ejected from the plane by an explosive decompression, and lost their lives, and a further thirty passengers were injured. Boeing was criticised by NTSB for not taking Flight 125 as a warning and withdrawing its 747s from service. In 1990, Boeing finally replaced the cargo door assembly in all in-service 747s.
  • Remind me again, why are we considering deleting this article about a notable event in aviation history? --Tony Sidaway^Talk 21:20, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Because the incident isn't notable? If it's noteworthy in relation to Flight 811, then there should be a brief mention of it in that article. --Carnildo 22:09, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
    • If it were not notable it wouldn't have been noted. It was. Therefore it is notable. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 23:31, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
      • What if you link the Pan Am article to the United Airlines Flight 811 to show the correlation? maltmomma 00:35, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
      • I would, but at this stage there is a strong chance of deletion so I want to leave plenty of untapped material for my ground-up rewrite. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 15:22, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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