Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pamela Kempthorne

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The result was delete, consensus to delete after disregarding one SPA argument, and WP:BIO concerns not addressed. --Coredesat 03:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pamela Kempthorne

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Delete she has been in Harry Potter films, but these must have been bit roles, does that make her notable? I don't think so. Carlossuarez46 20:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment Well, yes, of coure it makes her notable--Pheonix (talk) 20:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
They appear not to be bit roles, they're stand-in jobs, which is even less notable as far as acting is concerned. Ergo, Delete. --Agamemnon2 22:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Are there other reasons for apart from notability? She's fairly notable and I doubt this would be nomed for deletion if it was 20kb long We would lose info otherwise--Pheonix (talk) 20:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment What are the reliable sources attesting to notability? (Also, you may have come up with a new one for arguments to avoid, that being article size, although I'm not actually certain what your argument is there.) --Dhartung | Talk 21:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, if you insist... she's not included in the credits of Harry Potter Chamber of Secrets, [1] which was apparently her biggest "role". For comparison, "Boy in Study Hall 2" and "Brunette Lady" do get credited. Calling her roles "bit parts" would be extremely generous. Iain99 20:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak delete per WP:N, I don't think bit roles are enough. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 21:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, no IMDb entry (i.e. not part of the official cast of any non-trivial film) and her "bit parts" seem more like at best "featured extra" where she has moments of screen time but no lines. Yes, ha ha, "real" witch plays witch in Harry Potter. That's about all. --Dhartung | Talk 21:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, per Dhartung Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 21:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - IMDb gives me nothing, I suspect Shartung is correct. Definate air of vanityu about the article. Artw 22:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Her own website confirms that the notable-sounding roles were all bit-parts, at best. [2] She got a line in one Harry Potter film, but that's about it. Biggest claim to fame seems to be starring in an unreleased, self-produced film. [3] 396 Google hits, including Wikipedia mirrors and pages about other people with the same name, no reliable independent sources that I could find. Iain99 22:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep She has starred in a film "The Vampires of Bloody Island" which was shown at the cinema, and was on the cover of mensa magazine. I think that's pretty notable Rubber C 21:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Erm, which cinema? The film's own website describes it as unreleased - "The film is currently entering the festival circuit in advance of it's commercial release." [4] If it becomes successful then she might become notable, but Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. The Mensa magazine is more promising, if it's an article about the film, and not just a cover she modelled for, but generally multiple independent sources are required to establish notability Iain99 20:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment A press release on the film's myspace page says "...the June Issue of Mensa magazine, where we've just been published as the cover feature, with a four page article and a whopping great ten lovely vamp-tastic photos." And a page on the film's website [5] says a London cinema preview of the film was sold out.Rubber C 22:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I don't think that an article in a low circulation magazine like Mensa can by itself establish notability. A notable film-star should really be getting significant coverage in cinema-related press. The film itself almost certainly fails WP:MOVIE, and as such can't establish notability for any of its cast. Press releases and myspace pages are explicitly excluded from being reliable sources... a preview is not a cinema release, and anyway there's nothing to say whether "sold out" meant that ten or a thousand people came. Sorry, but there's really nothing here... try recreating it if the film gets a general release and becomes successful. And a hint - don't try to pad it with uncredited appearances as an extra in Harry potter or Never Mind the Buzzcocks - it looks rather like barrel-scraping. Iain99 10:20, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Keep - I saw the Mensa magazine article and have seen her on various TV programmes, & certainly when the film is on general release she will become far more well known, & will no doubt do even more in the future, hence building on the current entry. Taradragon 16:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC) — Taradragon (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.