Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palatinate (newspaper)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 17:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Palatinate (newspaper)

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Article a) cites no sources whatsoever, but much more importantly b) appears to be completely non-notable, and cites no links to assert notability. _TheIslander 15:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep and source, long standing newspaper, NUS/Independent Student Newspaper of the Year, with several notable former editors--Jac16888 15:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment - Using that logic, you could take any notable person on Wikipedia, trace back through their lives and find a dozen societies/clubs/organisations etc. that are thus notable and deserve an article. That logic doesn't work for me. Also, your opinion is 'Keep and source' - this article has had over 16 months to be sourced; far too long, in my opinion. _TheIslander 15:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

You could do so, but i doubt you would find many groups with more than one "notable" ex-member, and it is more than just the ex-members that make it notable, plus you're ignoring the award it recievedt, hat could probably be sourced without difficulty, and also, see WP:TIND --Jac16888 15:36, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment As this article is up for deltion then all other student newspapers in the category mentioned below ought be as well. Personally, considering every single pokemon is mentioned on here, I hardly think a Student newspaper should be deleted. AlexD 08:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep per User:Jac16888. --Hornet35 15:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete I see nothing inherently notable about a student newspaper. Notability is not inherited from one article to another - the former editors are not notable for what they did at this paper. MarkBul 15:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
• Comment As MarkBul says, student newspapers are not inherently notable. What is so special about this one that gives it significance or importance above others? --Malcolmxl5 19:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

The fact that in 2001, Palatinate was named the NUS/Independent Student Newspaper of the Year? if thats not enough, fair enough, delete.--Jac16888 20:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. I'm not being sentimental here about an article I've edited, but it seems to me that Palatinate is one of the more notable British student newspapers, certainly moreso than the majority of publications in Category:United Kingdom student newspapers. Not only due to the award and the now-famous former editors, but having a quick Google about, I note that:

1. A Palatinate article has been republished on an official government website
2. In 2003 a journalist on the paper came runner-up in the Best Student Reporter (Sponsored by the Daily Mirror) category
3. Apparently Hunter Davies is another notable former editor (I've added this to the article).
4. Article from The Northern Echo about the paper, describing it as, "one of Britain's best-known student newspapers". (I've also added this.) I think that should be enough to establish notability, and it's slightly better referenced now. Cheers, DWaterson 21:10, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought it being a student newspaper made it not notable in the notability guidelines, didn't know there was a category of them, in which case i see no grounds to delete at all, seems very notable--Jac16888 22:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I have rewritten the introduction to better assert notability, which rests on three things, it seems to me, a) being well known, b) having won a coveted national award and c) having several notable former editors. I have also rearranged the text elsewhere a little and added Oliver Brown to the historical timeline. An independent source for Pier Merchant being a former editor would be good and can anyone confirm that it was recently judged best Varsity newspaper in the Guardian media awards? Independent references are essential and the more the better. --Malcolmxl5 00:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Has won a 'coveted' national award, has been described as one of Britain's best known student newspapers and with a number of notable former editors. --Malcolmxl5 00:41, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.