Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pain Clinic

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 05:56, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pain Clinic

Not enough discussion, relisting. Redwolf24 (talk) 00:52, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Self-promotion (note the user is a new user named "Cashman44" and one of the hosts is called "the Cashman" in the article) for a non-notable local radio talk show. I'm living in Rochester NY, and I've never even heard of the show. — ceejayoz ★ 18:30, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete per nomination. — ceejayoz ★ 18:32, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

We have been on the air for 7+ years. It's not my fault if you don't know us. If you want to add something you have to have an account. Wikipedia covers alot of wrestling and you casn search us on any search tool and find stuff about us. We have a great history that I was in the midst of adding when you posted your deletion request! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.63.77 (talk • contribs) 14:48, 7 October 2005

You may continue editing the page, and those edits will certainly remain if the vote for deletion fails. However, I believe your page remains a candidate for deletion as it is non-notable and self-promotional. As a side note, please sign your posts in this page with ~~~~, and I encourage you to login when posting. — ceejayoz ★ 18:52, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete Verifiable... but obviously vanity.--Isotope23 19:00, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. I don't live in Rochester, yet I have heard of this show. Yes, this article as originally posted is self-promotion, but as a talk radio aficionado, I immediately associated "Pain Clinic" in the "Recent Changes" with this radio show. (I am quite against the homogenization of broadcast radio and am fond of using the Internet to listen to locally produced programs, especially those on unconventional topics, such as this show.) I am going to attempt to remove the self-promotion aspects of this article -- I believe it has a place. — psu256 18:54, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
    • I've done some cleanup in the event that the article is kept. — ceejayoz ★ 22:02, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment': in [[1]] user 24.24.63.77 (presumably 'the Cashman Richie Rich' himself) removed the word 'Cashman' in what seems to me to be a clumsy attempt at hiding the reference mentioned in initial referral above. (Clumsy, b/c incomplete; it now reads: 'the Richie Rich'.) On the other hand, maybe I'm just failing to be a nice guy. Mr Cashman's obvious desire to promote himself doesn't automatically prevent his article from being notable (if cleaned up). Eaglizard 15:41, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete User:Purplefeltangel/sig 01:27, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and cleanup. Seven years is quite a good span. If we were talking seven months, I'd reconsider. --Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 01:40, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Borderline keep . Rochester isn't a huge media market, but it isn't insignificant either. Seven years is a pretty long time for a wrestling show to go on. Article also needs to be cleaned up to remove vanity POV. Also needs to be disambiguated. At first I thought this was an article about physical medicine and rehabilitation. - Sensor 01:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
  • First off, lets avoid hazing the newbies, even if they are here trying to get a somewhat self promotional article published. Not every one is familiar with wiki-ettiquette. My first experience on wikipedia was so negative that I nearly left altogether. If this radion show is in fact notable, then it should be kept regardless of who initially posted it. It is now part of WP and can be freely edited by anyone. I'm not voting on this, as I have not read enough of the article.—Gaff ταλκ 02:06, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Right now I'll abstain, but if anyone can prove it has been running for 7 years froma reliable 3rd party source, I'd be happy to vote keep.- Mgm|(talk) 12:04, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Show's website is here. Alexa ranking of 1,678,769, but the article is on the show, not the site. There can't be all that many sports-talk shows on wrestling, can there? Anyway, I hereby change my vote from weak keep to keep but disambiguate.
  • Weak keep, but definitely disambiguate. I thought of a medical article as well, as I know several 'real' pain clinics. --JoanneB 17:43, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep as above. Trollderella 20:07, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep --Rogerd 00:40, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.