Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pace (Slang Term)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete; although it doesn't seem it, all the keeps are puppet infested. – Sceptre ^(Talk) 20:13, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pace (Slang Term)

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An edit summary admits that this is a protologism. -- RHaworth 18:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Me and my friends came to New Orleans to volunteer cleaning the city. We heard the term 'Pace' throughout the 2 weeks we were there. We brought it back to Boston, and the term has been spreading in New England ever since. -- [[User:# Juiceonyourface|# Juiceonyourface]]

• Keep The term pace has become an important part of the culture of post-Katrina New Orleans. Deleting it would be an injustice to the city in this sensitive time. --MVK

• Keep This article refers to the culture of New Orleans and Tulane University, therefore should remain. Cowbellion 21:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Pace has become a legitimate phenomenon in New Orleans, especially in the Uptown area around Tulane University. It is not merely a word, but a movement. Your feeble attempts to have this article deleted just to stroke your own inflated ego are neither needed nor warranted. Take your pettiness elsewhere. And yes, you may consider yourself PACED. -- Wstaffor

• Delete as non-notable neologism. Or protologism, depending. Urban Dictionary is a more appropriate place for this. --Elkman - ^(talk) 19:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep You know what, I think you're right. Maybe everything you don't care about should be deleted from wikipedia. I KNOW! Maybe we should rename it Elkmanpedia! That way it can only have topics that the MIGHTY Elkman deems reasonable. Get a life, and consider yourself PACED as well. -- Wstaffor Note: User:Wstaffor already voted above. --Metropolitan90 05:03, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I think the page should be kept up. Though I don't attend Tulane, I do live in the New Orleans area, and I've heard this around town quite a bit. The character Turtle on "Entourage" has forcefully said "Pace" upon exiting a room and may have originated this usage. While "pace" is definitely a neologism, I disagree that it is a protologism because of this source. Furthermore, since this is a reaction to the growing, post-Katrina changes besetting New Orleanians--e.g., "My house in Lakeview got paced in the storm."--I think pace takes on an important cultural context and is thus just as appropriate on Wikipedia as UrbanDictionary. Admittedly, the definition is vague and needs to be refined. -- CBowes

• Delete clearly not verifiable and highly likely to be non-notable. The author(s) of the article need to provide independent verifiable sources if they want to avoid deletion. Gwernol 20:40, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Wikipedia is not an urban dictionary. Fishhead64 21:13, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete not even an urban dictionary definition for this. needs sources Tyhopho 22:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nonsense. Aplomado - UTC 23:38, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Pace is a slang term derived from esoteric Cajun/French vernacular. Only recently has it been resurrected by twenty-somethings native to the area and entrenched in Cajun culture and history. With the geographically diverse blend of undergraduates at Tulane University, the term has spread as far west as Bellevue, WA, and as far north as New York.

• This unfounded criticism of Cajun jargon is a direct insult to the unique culture and lifestyle of Acadiana already diminished by two devastating hurricanes in August and September. Surely, one from across state lines, and certainly national lines, would not be able to trace its word-of-mouth origins. GoPaceYourself

• Keep This is legit. Travisjj
• Delete. Even if this is a legitimate slang term, the article is just a dictionary definition-type entry. (I don't know how to verify it, since "pace" is a common English word anyway.) If the word is worthy, submit it to Wiktionary instead. --Metropolitan90 01:20, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Dicdef, neologism, bored-college-kid-cruft -- GWO

• Keep All these deleters are the biggest chili doggers ever. PACE. Jimmy 8:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment This comment was actually left by 129.81.248.124 whose only contributions are these two comments. The signature is faked. Gwernol 14:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Delete my culture like Katrina deleted my city. Serioulsy. TNT 9:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment This comment was actually left by 129.81.248.124 whose only contributions are these two comments. The signature is faked. Gwernol 14:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per all the reasons noted above. Eron 14:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep The term pace is a legitmate slang term originating in New Orleans, LA and has been adopted by people from Washington state, New York, Miami and Dallas. Just because you do not understand the significance of the term yet does not take away any of the merit of this entry. There are certainly people out there that do not know what bling bling is either but that entry is in wikipedia and has been for awhile. PACE! --TheKingOfNOLA —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.81.74.125 (talk • contribs) .

• Keep I am still very intrigued by this page. It is inappropriate for me to modify the original definition, but I urge the original poster to do so to reflect both a more specific denotation and the reasons we have defended "pace's" use. By the way, it is also possible that "pace" in this context could have originated from "hale and pace," the cockney rhyming slang for "face." Thus, the expressions "I paced my face" and "I have to pace myself before I *pace* myself." I would appreciate if the people pushing for deletion would be more descriptive in their reasons, instead of just insulting the people who are defending the listing. What exactly are you looking for in regards to "pace's" relevance, and what would satisfy your need for outside sources? No matter what verdict Wikipedia decides upon, it is entries like this that define its relevance. Either it is a democratic medium for the progression of knowledge and culture, or it is as pedantic and intolerant as a first grade teacher. I think deleting this entry would be a line in the sand pushing Wikipedia into the latter group. User:CBowes Note: User:CBowes already voted above. --Metropolitan90 05:03, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment - Why is it inappropriate for you to modify the page? If you think it should be kept, and if you can modify it to improve the chances that it will be, be bold. As to satisfying the need for outside sources, a good place to start would be reviewing the verifiability policy. Eron 17:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment Also note that user CBowes has voted twice in this discussion. Gwernol 20:21, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I have updated the article to better reflect the cultural nature of the word. Whoever wrote the original article obviously did so in a hurry. I hope this new version will change the minds of some of you. User:Wstaffor Note: User:Wstaffor already voted above. --Metropolitan90 05:03, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Keep- Although an annoying term because of its stunning popularity in Post Katrina New Orleans, "Pace" has certainly become terminology on par with such early 90's California surfer lingo as "rad" and "awesome." Urban Dictionary, while also an appropriate location for the terminology, doesn't provide enough credence for terminology being used by an entire culture's population. -WLW —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.81.125.59 (talk • contribs) .

• Keep Please don't get pretentious and pace, pace. At the heart of the matter for those of you shouting "delete" is that you do not live in New Orleans, where the term has its origins, and you have no compassion for just how paced your city can become when it's hit by a hurricane. Do you really feel any better when you kick those who are down? Is there a reason why we can't have our culture displayed in Wikipedia? I think not. Please, just give pace a chance. -Dgran

Comment You most certainly can display your culture here. It's just that this particular article might not be the best way to do so. Eron 21:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as a non-notable protologism. Pretty much the entire article is unsourced, and much of it is probably original research. -Colin Kimbrell 21:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Pace is sweeping Uptown New Orleans and elsewhere as fast as any slang term in the past quarter century. It belongs on Wikipedia, and if wikipedia decides to "pace" pace, then it will be missing a prime opportunity to keep up-to-date with pop culture. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lewlou84 (talk • contribs) 13 April.

• Keep I believe Pace is an important new term both for New Orleans and for all of Louisiana. As a resident of Baton Rouge I can attest to having heard the term Pace on several occasions which proves that it is not just a local phenomenon. Pace is becoming an important part of Louisiana culture and is proving its viability by spreading to different cities and even different states. To delete this term would be both close minded and intolerant. RockerBT 22:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable, unstable, unverifiable neologism, i.e. protologism. Stifle (talk) 17:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Without the word pace I would not have been able to complete my thesis for grad school.

And now my work is being published. This alone should be enough to keep pace. VF —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.81.185.149 (talk • contribs) .

• Delete as unverifiable neologism and original research. Hammer Raccoon 17:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all non-notable slang neologisms. Sandstein 19:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete pending third-party reliable sources. We need proof beyond word of mouth that this exists. Ziggurat 21:05, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.