Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PESA

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The result was delete both articles. PESA is currently redirected to its disamb. Mailer Diablo 15:27, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PESA

Blatant spam and advertising in failure of WP:WEB. Author removed prod tag from both articles. Please note that the name of the author is a large scale retailer on eBay (Adam Hersch auctions). Alphachimp ^talk 00:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. I am also nominating Professional eBay Sellers Alliance, which has identical content. Alphachimp ^talk 00:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Spam. I find the denial less than convincing. Fan-1967 01:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

  Comment. You might want to focus more on why it satisfies WP:WEB and is not WP:SPAM. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Alphachimp ^talk 01:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

  I fixed up the article so that it is not POV, so hopefully it's more appropriate for a consensus with the spam issue asidde. No vote AdamBiswanger1 01:28, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I fail to see how this satisfies WP:WEB -- Alias Flood 01:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: per User:Alphachimp. --die Baumfabrik 02:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak delete they claim lots of media covereage and their is an interview with one of their spokes peopled (linked from their site). But doesn't seem notable unless those claims are substantiated. --Pboyd04 02:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete both as spam. Although there are indeed a good number of Ghits only 300 unique Ghits! A pretty ridiculous amount, especially since it seems to be an organization keen on advertising itself... Note also the sure signs of spam: the external links have a link that reads www.ebay.org and is in fact a link to ebay.com. How infinitely subtle. On top of that the creation of this PESA article has been created at the expense of the existing redirect to PESA (disambiguation) which is not a Wikicrime but certainly looks bad when you take into account the blatant spam content. Pascal.Tesson 02:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete, fails WP:WEB and WP:SPAM. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 04:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete, has some non-trivial coverage [1] [2] [3] [4], but not directly about the group (one only addresses the group, but is really about what the group thinks about Ebay's security). — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 05:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete vanispamcruftisement Just zis Guy you know? 10:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Delete Fails WP:WEB - even if there are multiple non-trivial published works about the site "The article itself must provide proof that its subject meets one of these criteria via inlined links or a "Reference" or "External link" section" . A list of publications without references to the articles does not satisfy that requirement (and is ugly and pointless). Yomangani 10:51, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete GNews is telling me that this is a non-notable organisation, as is my status as a power seller on eBay. At the very least, redirect PESA to the full title. WilyD 13:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete this and Professional eBay Sellers Alliance per nom. Dpbsmith (talk) 14:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment why is it that I cannot find a trace of the NY Post or LA Times feature articles? If anyone can actually show us these articles the debate might be enlightened. Pascal.Tesson 17:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete both as vanity and self-promotion. And all but one of the links shown above as "coverage" is not just a press release or equivalent. --MCB 20:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --PresN 21:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep Although PESA was only formed three years ago it has quickly become a nationally recoginzed organization. PESA has been mentioned in many major national publications[5] and is highly regarded by my many established financial institutions[6] throughout the world. PESA has held numerous high-profile charity campaigns to raise tens of thousands of dollars. Even world reknown authors such as Marsha Collier and Circuit City are members of PESA. You can easily Google PESA and see over 727,000 results. I just added a list of publications PESA is mentioned in.Adamhersh 01:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)AdamHersh
  • Comment Sorry for asking again but what are the major national publications and the many financial institutions that provide such importance to PESA? You give two links: one is a google search and is hardly proof of anything. "pesa" is a four letter word and there is a good chance that you get a lot of hits for any four letter word on Google. For instance, "pese ebay" will give you 412 000 Ghits [7], "pase ebay" gets you 329 000 [8], "pena ebay" gives you 1 600 000 [9]. So please provide links to very specific examples of wide media recognition of PESA. You might find that difficult given that a google search for "Professional eBay Sellers Alliance" turns up 129 unique Ghits [10]. Now you might argue about your second link but given the lack of context (what's this conference? How where the companies chosen?) that still is pretty weak. Since the start of the debate you have reworked the references a bit, by including for instance at the top of the list a NYTimes article. Aaaah, I thought, at last a decent reference. But the article only mentions PESA in passing... Pascal.Tesson 03:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I think it needs to be evaluated as an organization, not as a web site. eBay is huge, and it is notoriously vicious toward its sellers - I think an organization of its top sellers is notable. --Aguerriero (talk) 16:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.