Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PEE

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the nomination was delete, due to little salvageable information due to WP:OR, as well as a lack of sources. Ian Manka Talk to me! 04:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

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The Wikipedia is not a place for essays Computerjoe's talk 18:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete WP:NOR. Interesting essay, uncited. Fan1967 18:34, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and WP:OR Appears to be original research. --John Nagle 18:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I've been looking around for cites, to try to find out where this concept came from, but I haven't been able to find a primary source. I did find a critical article, which makes the point that the grading process for British school exams looks for paragraphs with this specific structure, and thus, PEE is a means of teaching to the test. Wikipedia already has Composition studies, perhaps a suitable place for such material. --John Nagle 23:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete because it is original research. -- Mikeblas 18:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep, PEE is a method used by teachers to teach pupils how to write essays. The article needs a rewrite if anything. - Erebus555 18:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: This should probably be on http://wikihow.com/ rather than Wikipedia. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not: "Wikipedia articles should not include instruction - advice, suggestions, or contain "how-to"s." --  Netsnipe  CVU ^(Talk)  18:38, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete, PEE is an established technique that is taught in schools (esp in the UK apparently) from what I can find in Google. However, I think only a sentence can be salvaged from this article due to WP:OR. hateless 18:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Um... This acronym and its apparent wide usage by UK teachers seems to be a result of extraordinary jadedness on their part. Mind you, the company where I work has a retirement savings plan with the acronym R.I.P. (Retirement Income Plan). Neutral on this vote Bwithh 19:28, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
• keep - conditional on refs being provided. Cut down to a simple description and move how-to stuff to Wikibooks. -- RHaworth 19:43, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I'll hapilly withdraw this nomination if it is rewritten to Wikipedia standars Computerjoe's talk 19:48, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but it needs a rewrite. I don't see it being that hard to do so I watchlisted it and might try and get back to it tomorrow. -- Tmorton166 (Errant Emote)  ^talk 19:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete PEE, with commiseration to Bwithh for RIP. KillerChihuahua^?!? 20:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day. "This applies even for things made up by teachers, such as original mnemonics that they created to help you memorize lists of things." BigDT 00:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
• 'Comment just to note that doesn't really apply. My mother is a primary school teacher and she has confiremd that PEE is a recognised government recommendation (mostly applicable to secondary schools). So it should have a mention if nothing else. -- Tmorton166 (Errant Emote)  ^talk 13:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Do you have a cite for that? Actually, I think this does deserve an article, but a critical one, not the "how-to" article we have now. This isn't a method for composing essays. It's a method for composing essay question answers for tests used in British schools. A book written in that style would drive the reader nuts. --John Nagle 18:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

In fairness no no cite but I there are a few links on google - mostly on the TES site. a not very good critical article that looks at PEE. I agree it is badly publicised online but that is because the govt curriculum site is pants and you cant find any decent content on there!! (oh and remember kids dont type PEE straight into google :-\)-- Tmorton166 (Errant Emote)  ^talk 18:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I mentioned that TES article above, and that's the best I've been able to find, too. Wikipedia could use an good article on composition styles. It's not adequately covered at Composition, and Composition studies is addressed to the organization of college courses in the subject. We already have News style, which explains inverted-paragraph structure. That's probably the best article in this subject area. PEE perhaps deserves a mention as a "British essay test style". Certainly all these need to be tied together. --John Nagle 16:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.