Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/P.V. Ramanayya

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. MaxSem 16:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] P.V. Ramanayya

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As a single unbroken block of text, this was understandably speedied. It also is a poor article and devoid of any sources whatsoever. However, it looks like the guy could be notable. "Public Prosecutor" of a state - what is that? Is that like being the Attorney General of an American state, or what? It says the he prosecuted some notorious cases, which doesn't make him notable, but doesn't hurt his case either. I guess it hinges on what an Indian "Public Prosecuter" is. Herostratus 20:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Abstain as nominator. I just don't know. Herostratus 20:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment in most commonwealth countries, "Public Prosecutor" is an official who may be comperable to a "District Attoney" if of a municipality or small region, or to a state or even federal Attorney General if of a larger district or a nation. The claim here would be roughly comperable to beign a US state Attorney General, or possibly a deputy sate Attorney General, i think. I did a google search, and all relevant results seem to be wikipedia mirrors. But this might be true and not covered in any online source, due to the systematic bias of the web, or to varient speelings of Hindi names. Sources are badly needed here. If the current article text is accurate and verifiable this person is probably at least marginally notable. DES (talk) 21:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. --   ⇒ bsnowball  04:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
  • 'Comment -- to the nominator. We have an article in wikipedia on Public Prosecutor. Yes, a public prosecutor is the Indian equivalent of an American District Attorney. He/She represents the state in court. As far as notability is concerned, I abstain. This person could be notable, but as he passed away 20 years ago, web references would be almost nil. This needs to be kept in mind while closing. A person from Andhra Pradesh could help in determining notability. =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I am surprised that nobody has done this already, but I asked the contributor of the article to weigh in on this or provide some references. The user appears to be an active wikipedian, so should be able to help out on this. —Gaff ταλκ 21:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, AKRadecki 17:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete from what I see here and read in the article, it seems as though the article does not merit notability as per WP:BIO. We should still get more users to weigh in. Plm209 (talk • contribs • count) 13:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak deleteSounds like a case where an adequate article could be written, becasue there likely exist stories about his professional career in actual newspapers in his country. What exists does not merit retention. Without some effort by persons there, it is doubtful that sources satisfying WP:N and WP:A can be found. When someone wants to go to a library and find the sources and write an article, it could be added then. Edison 14:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Alright ... I went searching on the Indian Google, and the few hits that were there were mingled with a fellow by the same name who's a philanthropist. As far as the notability of the office goes, Andhra Pradesh is large enough that it'd be the 15th largest country in the world by population were it independent, but as far as I could find this fellow was the public prosecutor of a relatively small city in the state, not the chief prosecutor for all of Andhra Pradesh (which would be very notable). Beyond that, though, this text is word-for-word copyvio from this page on kerala.com [1].  RGTraynor  15:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
(Writing with egg on my face) Comment Based on the above, and on the copyright statment on the page referenced, I speedied the article as copyvio. Propaniac, however, politely (which I appreciated!) pointed out that there was a note in the article that the text was licensed under GFDL and taken from Wikipedia. Sooo...everything is restored back...debate on. AKRadecki 17:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Are you sure the prosecutor and the philanthropist aren't the same guy? According to the article, he established a high school, a college and a convent. Just checking. Propaniac 16:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • The philanthropist was repeatedly referred to as a raja, but there's nothing in the article positively denying that our fellow was one, come to that.  RGTraynor  18:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Very weak keep The many claims in the article about his fame, his nickname, his work in establishing civic institutions, and his long tenure as Public Prosecutor are enough to sway me towards keeping it, although obviously all of those claims need references. Propaniac 16:20, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Stoic atarian 22:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.