Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oxford University Asia-Pacific Society
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete; fails WP:ORG. If there is interest in either merging the material from here into University of Oxford#Clubs and societies or into a not-yet-created page on Oxford clubs, contact me or another administrator and we can retrieve the deleted text so that it can be merged. MastCell Talk 18:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Oxford University Asia-Pacific Society
This is a club at Oxford University. I am not able to find significant coverage of it, and I'm not convinced it meets the notability standards of WP:ORG. FrozenPurpleCube 18:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Merge. Repeating my proposal from a similar AfD: Reduce the article to the essentials, merge it to University of Oxford#Clubs and societies (possibly expanding that entire section to an article), and redirect the article. May apply as well to other Oxford clubs currently under debate. --B. Wolterding 07:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- Merge to a new University of Oxford Clubs page -- there has been some discussion on the University of Oxford talk page about the need to avoid having too much clutter in the clubs and societies list there. Some effort has been made to pare that section down to the bare minimum of the most notable societies, and adding even just the names of every university club would make the page very cluttered. Adding any details of them would be frankly silly as the page would quickly become unworkable. If Oxford University Asia-Pacific Society doesn't stand alone as an article it must either be deleted or merged to a new OU clubs page. Casper Gutman 11:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Yes, that's precisely in line with what I proposed - the section "Clubs and societies" could be expanded into a separate article (one article for all clubs, not one article for each club). See also WP:SUMMARY. --B. Wolterding 12:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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- I'm not sure that's such a good solution, since I'm afraid that it would amount to only a directory (which the section is now anyway). It would be very important that any such page explicitly avoid that, and at least have some criteria for inclusion beyond being a club at Oxford. FrozenPurpleCube 13:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well, the idea would be a different one. The new article should not be a directory, but include short descriptions for each clubs that would be worth adding (see below). Only for those which are notable independent of the university, a separate article on the club might be created and linked. (Strict criteria should be applied for that.) That is common practice by WP:SUMMARY. Now regarding inclusion criteria, there's the rule that notability guidelines do not directly limit article content. That is, since Oxford University is notable, a club could be briefly described in the "Clubs at Oxford" article without independently discussing notability. How long that description for a certain club should be, if any, is at the discretion of the editors. But it saves work: Anybody can add and merge wothout the need of AfD debates etc. Whether that meets consensus is a different issue, admittedly. --B. Wolterding 13:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- While the notability guidelines don't directly limit article content, other things do, and simply listing the clubs at Oxford, even with a brief summary? I'm still not sure that would be anything but a directory of sorts. Oxford is practically a small city, and I'm sure they have lots of clubs and organizations. Many of them I doubt you'll ever find mention of outside of Oxford's own pages. I am thus not convinced of the merit of this page, and even if I was, it'd still need some criteria to keep every group of students that forms together and gets official recognition from the school from being covered. Heck, I don't even know what the process is for being a club/student society at Oxford. Is there even official recognition? I would at least hope somebody could answer that question before starting a new article. FrozenPurpleCube 18:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well, the idea would be a different one. The new article should not be a directory, but include short descriptions for each clubs that would be worth adding (see below). Only for those which are notable independent of the university, a separate article on the club might be created and linked. (Strict criteria should be applied for that.) That is common practice by WP:SUMMARY. Now regarding inclusion criteria, there's the rule that notability guidelines do not directly limit article content. That is, since Oxford University is notable, a club could be briefly described in the "Clubs at Oxford" article without independently discussing notability. How long that description for a certain club should be, if any, is at the discretion of the editors. But it saves work: Anybody can add and merge wothout the need of AfD debates etc. Whether that meets consensus is a different issue, admittedly. --B. Wolterding 13:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that's such a good solution, since I'm afraid that it would amount to only a directory (which the section is now anyway). It would be very important that any such page explicitly avoid that, and at least have some criteria for inclusion beyond being a club at Oxford. FrozenPurpleCube 13:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 09:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as unsourced and failing WP:V unless the new page University of Oxford Clubs is created by the end of the AfD. A merge to the main article looks messy and a merge to a non-existent page would be tricky :-) The material can be added to a user sandbox and merged later if required. Bridgeplayer 18:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
