Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Outer Heaven (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. currently unsourced, WP:NOR, Secret ^account 00:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Outer Heaven

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The article is not notable, and has no references to verify its contents. As such, it is just an in-universe repetition of various plot facts from Metal Gear game articles, and is totally duplicative of those articles. Judgesurreal777 21:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

• delete in-universe unreferenced gamecruft. Mukadderat 22:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Explains a confusing, frequently recurring concept. KDerrida, 3 December 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 08:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Useful, unfortunately, is not a wikipedia guideline or criteria. Judgesurreal777 16:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say or imply that it was merely "Useful", as that would be an Argument To Avoid. To break it down: My arguments are that Hideo Kojima's work is highly influential, both in America and Japan (which I may assume that you would not debate, having not nominated his body of work for deletion), that Outer Heaven is a frequently-recurring important plot point in his work (as this article should demonstrate), and because of this particular topic's confusing nature, listing it in pieces in subheadings inside different Hideo Kojima articles would provide less of a clear picture to the reader, acting more as random trivia than a proper explanation. If you feel that it is both repetitive (or as you put it, "totally duplicative") and unreferenced, you might consider eliminating this information from the original Metal Gear articles, and finding references for it. -KDerrida (talk) 09:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

If this persons works are as influential as you say, I am sure you will be able to find a good number of references that are needed to keep it. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Significant in Kojima's works. Whoever had been revising the article recently didn't put in references. Ominae 17:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Well tell them to put some in, otherwise the article will have no proof of notability. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Redirect to Metal Gear. The only game in the series where Outer Heaven has any real relevance to the plot seems to be the original (where Outer Heaven is the name of the enemy fortress the player infiltrates). All the other mentions of Outer Heaven in the series are just that, throwaway references. Jonny2x4 (talk) 04:11, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, sourceless. Fee Fi Foe Fum (talk) 08:31, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.