Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Our Goodman

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The result was Speedy keep, nomination withdrawn. NawlinWiki 19:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Our Goodman

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This song is not notable. Also this article will never be more than a stub. And it doesn't source any of it's claims. And if google is anyy indication (it may not be) its claims are unverifiable as no reliable secondary works seem to be about it. So it fails our core policies: verifiability, no original research, and notability. Theredhouse7 04:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC) I would like to withdraw the nomination. The article has been edited enough to deserve a place on Wikipedia, and notability has been asserted. Thank you Nick mallory - Theredhouse7 15:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

• Redirect to Seven Drunken Nights. Not notable in and of itself, but a plausible search term and connected closely enough with that article. GassyGuy 06:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Keep this is one of the Child ballads, the classic collection of British folk songs, assembled in canonical form by Francis James Child at the end of the 19th century, and dating themselves from the 14th through the 18th centuries. They have analogies elsewhere in Europe, and are the foundation of modern folk music (and, via their American derivatives, of country music as well.) They are all individually known by the standard title (and the number), and individually known to everyone who deals with this genre, and known in general to all who study English literature or anthropology. Almost all of them have individual WP articles, and we should fill in the few remaining ones. There is extensive literature on them, each one has been the subject of study and of recordings. It's too late tonight to add references, but there certainly are references to be added. There is information to be added too, based on the extensive notes in Child's collection. The lyrics in the form Child collected them are of course PD, most are in wikibooks, although not this one yet--I shall add it tomorrow.

In an artistic sense, this is a relatively trivial one, but it is not trivial in a folkloric or historical sense, for it is one with many variations and with similar ballads in many countries.

V, RS, N, -- and not OR for all the material is there, just waiting to be collected here. The article was a stub, for it is a long project adding all of this fully to such an extensive body of texts. This is one of the reason for not rushing to delete stubs that one comes across, especially when even just within WP is enough documentation to explain their importance.

Seven Drunken Nights is one of the derivatives, of course, and the relationship should be explained. As it is a version recently recorded by a popular group, it's the best known to many of us. But this is the stem, and the redirect suggested would be like redirecting Romeo and Juliet to West Side Story.DGG 06:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. All the Child ballads are individually notable. Reliable information can be drawn from collections and sources on the ballads, whether it has been done yet or not.--Cúchullain ^t/c 07:12, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

• Keep As has been pointed out, the Child ballads are the bedrock of English folk music and have great music, social and historical importance to this day. They have been exhaustively studied by a host of musicologists and this article needs to be expanded, not deleted. Nick mallory 07:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. All Child Ballads have scholarly sources (starting with Francis James Child). This is one of the most widespread of them all, with many variant names and more than 20 extant recordings, as detailed here. —Celithemis 07:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

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