Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ott Jud

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 10:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ott Jud

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Keep. Featured in various fechtbuchs, though I don't know of any translations of the wrestling portions online. More information available at The ARMA. --Fean 06:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Non-notable person; top result on Google search is Wikipedia article. Freddie 01:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Notable person; well-known in Western martial arts circles. There's a lot in life you can't find on Google, you know. Ken

Ott Jud is one of the most important grappling master in Western Martial Arts. Many of the fight books of the 1400s and 1500s describe and illustrate Master Ott's grappling techniques. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.39.29 (talk • contribs)

Keep. Expand, if anything. It looks to me like 71.244.39.29 knows a thing of two about Mr Jud, and I'd like to know more about him. In any event: no reason to dump him other than the article is short of content, and that can be ameliorated. Deaconse 04:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep...There is a trend in the Martial Arts community over the last decade to delve into the traditional arts of Western Europe. This has coincided with the translations of many period manuals. Ott is well known as a wrestler, and students of both western martial arts, and eastern systems, such as Judo/Jujitsu use sources such as Ott to determine the history of grappling techniques......where certain holds originated, and what variations were common between the different styles.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.177.96.38 (talk • contribs) .

• Never listed properly on AFD, relisting properly. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 05:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Not notable. DarthVader 05:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, no sources, exts links are not English and contain no mention of Ott Jud. Sudden IP interest in AFD. Smells like a hoax. - Motor (talk) 10:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment, he is mentioned [here] [here] and [here] but I cannot tell what it means. Peripitus 11:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, so little is known about the subject aside from a few minor mentions in other very old texts. I'm hestitant to vote delete, but I think we're going to run into verifiability issues. Peyna 18:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete w/o prejudice to recreation as a sourced stub - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 19:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I can't find the name mentioned in any of the cited references. Unless there is WP:RS for these notability claims, it cannot stay. Crum375 20:41, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

• I do see the name in sources cited by Peripitus above, but like him, I can't really figure out whether those are sufficient proof of notability. Crum375 21:23, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

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