Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Other New Zealand flag concepts
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was delete. Johnleemk | Talk 10:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Other New Zealand flag concepts
This title seems quite inappropriate for a Wikipedia article. I was planning to move it, but then wondered whether the content was worth having anyway. There are three flag proposals in the article. Flag concepts for the South Island (which the "other" refers to) includes a proposal which was seen a bit of use, but there is no indication that these flags have been used at all. So I am not sure whether to move or delete. JPD (talk) 12:46, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- I'd be inclined to delete, myself - and I speak as the designer of one of the flags shown. The North island flag hasn't been used, the Ross Dependency flag is more of an art project (though it has appeared in Ross Dependency), and there is already a flag for Stewart Island (though it's never used) and it's not the one shown. I really don't see much point in having this page on Wikipedia. If we're going to open up pages for all "proposed but not adopted" flag designs then we'll run out of pixels. It's the flag equivalent of failing WP:MUSIC for having an album that's planned but never released. I also wouldn't be at all alarmed if Flag concepts for the South Island was deleted, since the only design on that page which has seen any use has seen pretty minimal use and is unlikely ever to be adopted. James Dignan, a.k.a. Grutness...wha? 14:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Was your flag proposal documented anywhere by a third party? Did it hit the headlines despite not being adopted? Has someone who is wholly independent of you written and published a list of flag proposals in which yours was included? It's not quite as simple as "proposed but not adopted", any more than it is not quite as simple as "never having won an election". Screaming Lord Sutch never won an election, but was widely discussed and documented, in non-trivial published works, by other people for not having done so. A failed flag proposal that was similarly widely discussed and documented belongs here for the same reason. Uncle G 17:23, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- It seems to have been mentioned in a couple of websites that I'm not connected with. Other than that though, I don't think so. As I said, it's hardly notable. One day, maybe... I'm toying with the idea of applying for the Antarctica arts scholarship (run here in NZ, it gives artists a month on The Ice during which time they work on art related to the continent). If that happens it will make more of a splash, but until then, it doesn't deserve a Wikipedia article. Same with the South Island one - it got one small newspaper article and has been flown in a couple of parades and things like that, but that's all. Grutness...wha? 02:47, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
- Based upon what you say, I concur. Uncle G 03:45, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
- It seems to have been mentioned in a couple of websites that I'm not connected with. Other than that though, I don't think so. As I said, it's hardly notable. One day, maybe... I'm toying with the idea of applying for the Antarctica arts scholarship (run here in NZ, it gives artists a month on The Ice during which time they work on art related to the continent). If that happens it will make more of a splash, but until then, it doesn't deserve a Wikipedia article. Same with the South Island one - it got one small newspaper article and has been flown in a couple of parades and things like that, but that's all. Grutness...wha? 02:47, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
- Was your flag proposal documented anywhere by a third party? Did it hit the headlines despite not being adopted? Has someone who is wholly independent of you written and published a list of flag proposals in which yours was included? It's not quite as simple as "proposed but not adopted", any more than it is not quite as simple as "never having won an election". Screaming Lord Sutch never won an election, but was widely discussed and documented, in non-trivial published works, by other people for not having done so. A failed flag proposal that was similarly widely discussed and documented belongs here for the same reason. Uncle G 17:23, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletions. . Capitalistroadster 16:25, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
