Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Osahon Eboigbe

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Coredesat 05:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Osahon Eboigbe

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reason reason nn soccer player it seems no one can find info on him have not played for the a team yet only the youth if that totally fails wp:bio also contested prodOo7565 18:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

• Nominator Note- delete per what i said aboveOo7565 18:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
• Week Keep - Goggle search did come up with some hits, like this one (you do have to have an account to access it). person is notable. Tiptoety 18:45, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - looks like he's played at Cercle Brugge. Try this link [1] at soccerstats.com. Peanut4 00:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Malcolmxl5 00:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - per Peanut4, sport.be also shows him as having played in 9 games so far. Nanonic 00:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Delete per Oo7565's comment below, on further searching the club's own supporters website says he hasn't made a full team start yet [2] and the lack of squad number on all the websites I can see (and understand) would seem to verify that. Nanonic 02:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

• Note i may be wrong and forgive me if i turn out to be wrong. i went to those 2 websites that said he played it looks like they just showed the games the team haves played and not the player just me because both site to me have a pleace where they put the info in if the player had played in the game both of them seem to me say he have not plyed 1 min on the field for them. he may be on the beach but not played so if have not played he is still nn and do please forgive me if i am and i can find a souce saying he played in a game then i would be more then happy to withdraw this afd ok if me see if i can find a source okOo7565 01:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - the article itself admits his appearances and goals for Blackburn Rovers F.C., Cercle Brugge and Nigeria are zero + zero, zero + zero, and zero + zero. I suspect that Soccerstats is listing Cercle Brugge games in total, not games in which the subject has actually appeared. I therefore discount this reference's validity. The article shows the usual "talking-up" of a non-notable player. Ref ^(chew)(do) 08:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - person is part of a professional football team (and currently one of the top teams in Belgium). And why the hurry? As soon as he has played a few matches, he will be notable. (He has only arrived recently at Cercle.) Or do I really have to save the whole article in a Notepad file and recreate it when he has played? :-/ Karma-AH 17:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

• Note - note on above comment

Karma-AH you should look at wp:bio there you see that he does fail it sorry it does not matter which team you on even if the the best team in Belgium the team does not make the player notable you have to play for that team to become notable it may not be the best way to do it but that what we have if he did have ways to check if they are reel anyone could say on here they are on that team again look at wp:bio okOo7565 18:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment - no hurry, just deletion required according to the rules. Retaining articles just in case notability is reached is a no-no according to WP:BIO. Save it and recreate it then. No need to take an 'exasperated' tone either. Ref ^(chew)(do) 21:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Note - note on comment above

Ok, no problem if you delete it. But what bothers me a little is that it's really easy to find other football biographies - I found a little less than 20 in only 30 minutes - that could be deleted because of the same reason put up here. But I don't notice a deletion tag there (and I wonder if I ever will)... I just think that's a bit inconsequent. Karma-AH 08:17, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment - well, you submit them for AfD then - it's that simple. You would just be doing what somebody has already done to Osahon Eboigbe, which is why we are giving our thoughts on the validity of the article today. If you put it/them up for deletion, I'll "vote" on it/them. Ref ^(chew)(do) 14:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - player is not notable (yet) as he has not appeared for Cercle in a league match yet ([3]). Jogurney 01:14, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per Jogurney's evidence. Has not played in a fully professional league (WP:BIO). пﮟოьεԻ 57 17:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BIO (no professional league appearances). --Angelo 01:00, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel 09:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• Relist: there's no consensus to delete at the moment, although points raised late in this debate merit further discussion and input in an attempt to reach a clearer consensus. Relisting on this basis. Daniel 09:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment My vote remains as Delete. Cercle had another match this weekend and Eboigbe again did not play. Jogurney 04:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. The subject currently falls short of the notability requirements for sports people. Nuttah68 16:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. According to the infobox, player has zero games played at the national or professional level. Recreate the article later if the player achieves notability. Cogswobbletalk 18:03, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment - as we all know, AfDs are not votes. If you tot up the number of Keeps and compare with the number of Deletes, you could easily say there's no consensus to delete. However, there's no remit for any count of either to be made. What's most important is the argument presented with each choice of Keep or Delete.

Each request to Keep must be based on the guidelines in force at the time, and must be reasoned out according to them. The same applies to Delete statements. I would suggest to all that the rationale applied by those calling for Delete is far more in keeping with the rules and regs than that given when others ask for a Keep. I would ask you also to look at the the last three entries "late in this debate". They are all extremely valid Delete requests, and as such I believe consensus is tipped firmly in that direction. My earlier choice of "Delete" remains unchanged. Ref ^(chew)(do) 19:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Has not played in a fully professional league per WP:BIO. --Malcolmxl5 21:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: Delete means that this article can never be re-created, i think that this article has potential, i recommend tagging for cleanup and expansion and see what happens, this person is obviously real, there are sources about him, i do not think deletion is the proper action at this time. Tiptoety 01:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• That's not right. A deleted article can very easily be re-created. --Malcolmxl5 04:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - no appearances in a fully professional league, so fails WP:BIO. Article can be recreated if and when the player fulfils the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia. robwingfield ^«T•C» 08:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - until any of the above links can prove he played rather than appear to list Cercle's games, he fails to meet notability criteria. Peanut4 11:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment - despite misguided misinformation (Karma-AH / Tiptoey) in order to avoid deletion of this article, I believe that consensus has been reached, and I urge interested admins to step in to avoid this becoming a 'saga' when it's just a straightforward choice. Ref ^(chew)(do) 19:24, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.