Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olympic Peninsula Travel Association

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete due to a lack of evidence establishing notability. Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 02:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Olympic Peninsula Travel Association

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Non-notable travel group, reading more like an ad than an article. Jmlk17 03:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Not notable. --JulesN Talk 15:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. See Google News for references. --Eastmain (talk) 20:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment. Of the nine references there, none are actually about OPTA. One is about the guy who runs it, and the others just reference it as a way of getting tourist information. They do not establish notability. --JulesN Talk 21:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment. The group may have been more active in its earlier days, before the Internet, so reliable sources probably exist in the form of articles that appeared at the time in local and regional newspapers and trade publications. --Eastmain (talk) 22:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment. A Lexis-Nexis search, which I'm pretty is the best online news search has 15 references dating back to 1991, the newest is April 7, 2002. 3 are press releases, and 12 news articles, all of which mention OPTA along the lines of for more information contact.... --JulesN Talk 01:15, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Spam. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 07:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. I am the originator of this project and I assure you it is not spam. This is a notable organization that has a 75 year history of promoting the Olympic Peninsula, The University of Washington is even using it's historical brochures as part of their Evergreen Playground online Museum. See Evergreen Playground I also have letters from four prominent Washington State leaders commending the organization for it's service to the state. This association has a rich history and it would be a true loss to Wikipedia if it were deleted. Please let me know what I may be of help to keep this article alive. jwsnyder101 (talk) 16:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 23:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as spam. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. I have added more references and tried to rewrite sections that appeared bias while attempting to maintain the integrity of the reseach. For those of you who wish to torpedo this project, I would like to request that you offer suggestions as to how it could be made worthey of Wikipedia material rather that just simply touting it as spam. jwsnyder101 (talk) 22:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

• • Userfy or Delete, I'm changing my opinion based on the good faith attempts by Mr Snyder, but the article still needs more sources, which may be gathering dust in newspaper morgues, for notability. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 05:49, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep since its apparently important. Insufficient sources is a reason for adding them, not for deletion. DGG (talk) 22:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - this is one of a number of articles (including Olympic Peninsula Directory and Map, Ferry Travel Guide, Olympic Peninsula Guide, Jefferson County Business Map, and Dan Youra Studios Inc.) created by John W.J. Snyder a/k/a jwsnyder101, executive director of this and related organizations, to publicize various businesses controlled by Dan Youra Studios. Snyder has done virtually nothing to further Wikipedia, and just about all of his edits are heavy with blatant conflicts of interest. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:14, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Yes, he is quite the spammer. The closing admin should look at the article, which at this point is a mess, and judge accordingly. DGG is attempting to apply the "AfD is not cleanup" argument to sources, but I have looked at the sources that are available online, and none of them are more than short mentions, as JulesN points out. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 18:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.