Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olman

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. There are no independent, reliable sources to which information can be attributed and verified. The information in the article might be coonsidered notable only by those deeply involved in the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JodyB (talk • contribs) 2007-11-03

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No reliable sources outside of D&D fansites, this plot summary about a fictional race a provides no context, analysis or claim to notability. Gavin Collins 08:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletions. --Gavin Collins 08:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment: Dungeon is not a "fansite" --Pak21 11:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Gavin Collins, please review these nominations before making them. This is one of the primary player-character races in the oldest (circa 1974) Dungeons & Dragons campaign setting, and is broadly cited with respect to the published material. -Harmil 14:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment What evidence do you have to show that demonstrates this? Any evidence of notability? My searches indicate that there are no secondary sources, just fansites. --Gavin Collins 20:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Re: "This is one of the primary player-character races in the oldest (circa 1974) Dungeons & Dragons campaign setting...", this is exactly the kind of content this article needs in order to be an actual encyclopedia article. I notice that this assertion isn't made in the article though, but instead most of the article is game guide/in-universe type stuff. Of course, for this info to be included, a suitable reference would be appropriate too. Rray 00:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment I am not sure why one out of hundreds of fictional game characters is notable, particularly if the book of game settings it comes is not itself notable. This seems similar to saying that a toner cartridge listed in the photocopier repair manual is notable, which does not make sense to me. --Gavin Collins 09:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: I decline to make judgements about its notability or encyclopedicness (encyclopedickousity?), but I would point out that none of the sources currently cited can be considered independent. Resources should be independent of the subject per WP:SOURCES. Deltopia 18:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Harmil.--Robbstrd 20:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Cleanup tags should have been given more time to attract clean-up. References do indeed need work as well as better statement in the lead-in about notability. Sadly, this could have been discussed in the article's talk page instead of here. - Ukulele 21:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete No evidence of notability outside of the D&D universe. Pilotbob 22:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Fails WP:FICT. Doctorfluffy 04:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.