Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ohio Valley Christian Music Association

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Coredesat 00:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ohio Valley Christian Music Association

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I removed the prod to send this on to AFD discussion in response to a show of good faith by the editor who's trying to keep it. She's added some sources, but in my opinion, they don't rise the the level of nontrivial. Do y'all think that this organization is a notable one? FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:02, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's trivial. I am not a member of the organization, but I know the people that run it and I go to their PraiseFest almost every year. They represent a lot of people and their events have been a vital part of Noble County for more than 27 years now. They're even mentioned prominently at www.noblecountyohio.com. In my opinion, the page should not be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noblerose67 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC) — Noblerose67 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

  • Keep for while the formatting is a mess, the article appears to be well-sourced (3 articles) and may be a notable organziation. I'd agree to stubify the artiocle. Bearian 19:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unless non-trivial refs are added. The exisiting sources are just announcements in local papers, exactly the type that WP:N advises against, ie "announcements columns, minor news stories, and coverage with low levels of discrimination". Crazysuit 00:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Craysuit. Trivial media coverage does not confer notability--victor falk 10:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Notable source: Permanently referenced on homepage www.noblecountyohio.com as tourist attraction as noted above by NobleRose, in addition to newspapaer articles referenced. Kevin_Lauer —Preceding comment was added at 13:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC) — Kevin_Lauer (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. .
  • Delete as clearly WP:VSCA. All given references are trivial and/or not independent. Non-trivial and independent sources must be made available and added to the article if it is to have any chance of meeting WP:Music. A1octopus 16:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Added information today in top section showing similarites and differences between similar organizations (with references). Does this help to illustrate notability? —Noblerose67 —Preceding comment was added at 18:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
    • - Well, no it doesn't. The similar organisations are also not notable by Wikipedia standards (or they'd have articles) so I don't see how saying that this lot are similiar to some other lot who are equal nonentities makes sense. Nevertheless even if all these other organisations were notable it still wouldn't be a argument for keeping this one (see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS) - in this debate we have to establish the notablity of this article's subject, and no proof or references have been given that this meets the guidelines laid out in WP:MUSIC. A1octopus 21:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I think you've referenced the wrong page. WP:MUSIC doesn't refer to Music Associations, but rather performers. The organization, by definition, cannot meet the criteria described on that page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zach hasseman (talk • contribs) 04:19, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Reply You can use WP:ORG if you prefer; it also requires multiple, independent, nontrivial sources. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:36, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Further Comment - Yes I agree WP:ORG might be more useful but my arguments above still hold. Notablity isn't proved by comparing this lot to other un-notable organisations. A1octopus 13:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Hey OVCMA, list some of the notable members and accomplishments. Zach hasseman (talk • contribs —Preceding comment was added at 04:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC) — Zach hasseman (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Delete Ow, my eyes hurt from seeing so many light blue external links written as text into the article... That being said, they are not reliable sources, and don't cut it for making the article notable. —ScouterSig 16:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
  • comment - I tidied up the text a bit (mostly removed excess bold) and added fact tags on specifics that need references. I don't feel strongly one way or the other. If there are no refs, delete. If somebody finds some....keep. --Rocksanddirt 21:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.