Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ogonek and Cooh

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. --Fang Aili ^說嗎? 16:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ogonek and Cooh

Relevant policy: WP:BAND

Neither the article nor the Google hits indicate that this Bulgarian band meets the notability standard WP:BAND. They are said to have released "bootleg CDs" only, which I take means self-made CD-Rs (please correct me if I am wrong), and there are no indications of mainstream media mentions or tours. Contested PROD. Sandstein 04:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as fails WP:MUSIC. Keppa 05:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, it's rough but it's fixable. The group seems to have a following in major nightclubs. Eastern European culture, keep it to fight WP:BIAS. --AlexWCovington (talk) 08:46, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Having a following in major nightclubs is not in the list of criteria in WP:BAND. I'm all against WP:BIAS, being a Central European myself, but standards are standards. Plus, there are no sources for the supposed nightclub following (WP:V, WP:RS). Sandstein 08:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, nn, well short of WP:MUSIC (aka WP:BAND), which incidentally is a guideline rather than a policy - WP:V is, however, a policy and any tenuous claims to notability which could be interpreted from the article ain't WP:V'd by a long shot. I am avowedly anti-bias, and avowedly anti-non-notable articles, which some apparently believe is an untenable position - let me assure you, it isn't. Deizio 16:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn, San Saba 11:04, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Sandstein. Eusebeus 15:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep, bad faith nomination. Eusebeus is systematically bringing disputed prods to AfD without regard to merits of dispute. Monicasdude 14:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

It was I who nominated the article, not Eusebus, and I would like to know why exactly you think I was acting in bad faith. Sandstein 14:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

You're right, my apologies. Eusebeus has made dozens of what I think are conspicuously bad faith AfD nominations, in the last few hours, and I tagged this one by accident because of the editing pattern. That said, Keep per AlexWCovington, since applying criteria intended to measure notability in American popular culture shouldn't be mechanically applied in the context of other cultures. Monicasdude 14:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction. I disagree with the keep, because WP:BAND - like all policies - isn't specific to any nationality or culture. Wikipedia is a global endeavour, not an American one, so: the same standards for everyone, please. Similarly, WP:V is both of global applicability (they have discovered writing in Bulgaria, yes? :-) and non-negotiable. Also, you do not specify what consensually accepted criteria, if any, should be applied to Bulgarian bands instead, and why. Sandstein 15:37, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. -- JamesTeterenko 22:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.