Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ObjectStore

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. KrakatoaKatie 06:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ObjectStore

Article about a programming api. No evidence of satisfying WP:SOFTWARE. Valrith 22:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Arbusto 06:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep 1. The software package has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works

[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14] Book: Databasteknink (Padron-McCartht, Rich) ISBN 91-44-04449-6 chapter 16 Book: Object-Oriented Modeling and Design for Database Applications ISBN 0-13-123829-9 Chapter 15 and 16. (There are more, how many are considered multiple non-trivial published works?) 2. it's not an api it's a ODBMS (An object database management system)--Marsve 09:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, let's see

• #1 is in german which I can't read

So what? It contains these (English) references:

Soloviev, V.: An overview of three commercial object-oriented database management systems: ONTOS, ObjectStore, and O. ACM SIGMOD Record, Band 21, Nr. 1, S. 93-104, 1992.

Ahmed, S.; Wong, A.; Sriram, D.; Logcher, R.: Object-oriented database management systems for engineering: A comparison. Journal of Object-Oriented Programming, Band 5, Nr. 3, S. 27-43, 1992.

• #2 & #3 both point to the same issue of CACM which is inaccessible to non-members (Volume 34 , Issue 10 (October 1991)) and appears to have been written by the originators of ObjectStore

This paper was written by the originators but was accepted by the CACM, doesn't that make it a valid paper. The CACM was never free, not in its original paper form either. Does that make its papers less valid?

• #4 & #5 are reports that Starwood hotels is using the software
• #6 is not an article about the software, but notes from Cisco documentation of a Cisco product that uses ObjectStore
• #7 & #13 appear to be just press releases from the software's authors
• #8 is very short and only indirectly about ObjectStore; it's subject is actually another piece of software which uses ObjectStore
• #9 is in german, but appears to be just product documentation
• #10 & #14 are again just product documentation
• #11 is a perl extension that uses ObjectStore
• #12 is just a comparison of various databases, not an article about ObjectStore
• ISBN 91-44-04449-6 could not be found at either amazon or the library of congress
• ISBN 0-13-123829-9 appears to be about databases in general, not about ObjectStore

So, while there seems to be plenty to indicate the software is in use, I only see 1 of these that might satisfy the guideline (eg. qualify as an article about the subject that is non-trivial). Valrith 20:54, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Another reference is the book "Object Databases in Practice" by Akmal B. Chaudhri, Mary Loomis, Hewlett-Packard Professional Books which includes a section on each of 5 object databases, including a chapter on ObjectStore.

Hibernate has a perfectly acceptable Wikipedia entry, and is not considered a Java API for persisting data. ObjectStore is a full ODBMS with backup, recovery, archiving etc.

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Deathphoenix ʕ 03:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. I agree with Valrith. There are not "multiple non-trivial published works" -- in fact, there is maybe one. And if a paper was written by the authors is to be a non-trivial published work, it will have to have received significant attention. Merely being accepted is not enough in my view. N Shar 05:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
• keep, to quote [15], which is on the first page of google hits for "ObjectStore," "In the 1990s, ObjectStore was foremost among a handful of OODB vendors." It was the top product in its field and it's been around since 1988. The nomination is inaccurate; this isn't an api, this a database product that's been on the market for over 18 years and recieved plenty of coverage over that time. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 07:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - ObjectStore is of some significance in the genealogy of DBMSes and an article on it is of more actual encyclopedic utility than a majority of Wikipedia entries. Michael K. Edwards 12:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.