Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Novi Ligure Homicide

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-26 08:34Z

[edit] Novi Ligure Homicide

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Event described in article does not meet WP:NOT guidelines. Edited: I've changed my opinion: the revised article should be kept. However, since the majority of the sources about this incident are in Italian, I'm not sure how much more info can be added to the article. Cue the Strings 03:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete Appears to be relatively "normal" homicide (if any homicide can be called "normal", of course). No reliable sources; article does not assert notability. The article doesn't even state what country this happened in: Montenegro? Croatia? Switzerland? Italy? Vote changed to Keep thanks to editors for making article actually legible. I honestly didn't know that by "Torin" the original editor was discussing Turin/Torino - with the huge number of towns in Europe with names similar to "taurus" it's not correct to assume. --Charlene 04:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as a non-notable homicide. Tragic, but non-notable. If there are reasons why it's significant in Italy (which seems to be where it took place), I'm all ears. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Keep as there appears to be a level of notability in this affair now. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as a tragic but nn homicide unless sources can be provided to establish notability. -- Black Falcon 07:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, without reliable sources this could be a WP:BLP issue. I would err on the side of caution. - Mgm|(talk) 13:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete This tragic but I think we should consider moving it to Wikinews.TellyaddictEditor review! 13:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep Googling the girl's name produces 105 sources, all in Italian. Apparently this murder case was notable in Italy, but I can't make too much sense of the sources. Needs the efforts of someone who can evaluate the sources (some appear to be print journalism) and incorporate into the article. Inkpaduta 14:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - per total lack of context. This is not Wikinews, thus it fails WP:NOT an indescriminate amount of info (WP:NOTE). The "will this matter in 100 years?" test completely fails. Part Deux 15:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Crimes require more: though they are often easily verified and sourceable through local, journalistic sources, this coverage is ephemeral and will tend to move on to the next crime and victim. Only a few become the subject of broader or abiding interest, and that's where we should draw the line. Nothing here shows that this story is other than a local tragedy. - Smerdis of Tlön 15:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep the revised article, which goes into significantly more detail about why this particular homicide is a matter of abiding interest. - Smerdis of Tlön 17:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • The homicide was quite significant in Italy not only for the vast public attention (usually referring to Erika and Omar [1]), but also for the further reflection on the media respsonse for which there would also be English sources one of which academic. [2][3] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tikiwont (talk • contribs) 15:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC).
  • Keep. The links provided by User:Tikiwont establish that these murders were significant and were even the subject of serious academic study, meeting WP:V and WP:N. Of course, those sources should be added to the article. But the fact that a topic has a bad article does not mean that the topic is non-notable.-Fagles 16:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
    • I briefly updated Novi Ligure Homicide to explain its importance.Fagles 17:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I can confirme that the Novi Ligure Homicide was a notorius murder case in Italy of this century.If you search by Google the exact phrase "omicidio di novi ligure" novi ligure homicide in italian you will found 2570 matches.Lucifero4
  • Keep A murder case that contributed to anti-immigration frenzy in Europe, meet notability. Wooyi 01:58, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment This certainly seems notable, given the significant media exposure and a statement issued by the Minister of Justice among other politicians. MadMax 21:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.