Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nouvelle Fédération-Board
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Nomination withdrawn. Non-admin closure per WP:CSK and WP:DPR. Serpent's Choice 07:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nouvelle Fédération-Board
This is an organisation that supposedly conducts football matches between the "national" teams of fictional or non-sovereign countries. They claim to have held one "tournament" so far, the VIVA World Cup, in which four teams supposedly managed to participate. I'm qualifying all of this because there appear to be few, if any, independent reliable sources covering this organisation or its teams (some of which are also up for AfD). This means that even if verifiable, it looks rather non-notable to me. Sandstein 20:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- Nomination withdrawn. Based on the sources provided by Rheinländer and Elisson below, this organisation appears to be notable enough. Sandstein 05:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Keep, or possibly merge with VIVA World Cup as it is the main reason for notability. Examples of press coverage include [1] and [2], which I will incorporate into the article shortly. Oldelpaso 22:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, VIVA World Cup has coverage (because it's funny, I guess). But the organisation has no coverage independent from the cup, and is mentioned only in passing in the sources you provide. A merge may be a good idea if it's not deleted. Sandstein 22:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Highly notable board that has organized with many smaller nations to classify their football teams. --Czj 03:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- See WP:ILIKEIT - how do you think it meets WP:N's requirement of multiple substantial coverage by reliable sources? Sandstein 05:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 08:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Delete along with the "national team" articles for most of the member entitites. Only marginally more notable than the average bunch of guys playing amateur football in a park. If it does become a respected federation, with links to FIFA etc, then recreate at a later date. - fchd 08:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Err, the whole point of the board is to organise teams not connected to FIFA. Your last comment thus makes no sense at all. – Elisson • T • C • 14:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- The article states : "The NF-Board seeks to work with FIFA to be a temporary organisation for football teams before they acquire membership in FIFA." Until such links are made, I am assuming these games are not sanctioned by any officially organising body. I also note that only one of the member federations (N Cyprus) appears to have a Wikipedia article, and that most of the "National Team" articles have also been under AfD. Still a very clear delete in my eyes. - fchd 17:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I misunderstood "with links to FIFA" as being a member confederation of FIFA in some kind of way. Still, I don't see the point. Why is it necessary for a governing body to be associated with FIFA to be notable in your eyes? What is an "officially organising body"? The NF-board is an official organising body for teams not affiliated with FIFA. And I am not sure how it is relevant that only one of the member federations has an article either. Not one of the regional governing bodies of the Swedish Football Association has an article, but that does not tell us anything whatsoever about the notability of that association. – Elisson • T • C • 22:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- The article states : "The NF-Board seeks to work with FIFA to be a temporary organisation for football teams before they acquire membership in FIFA." Until such links are made, I am assuming these games are not sanctioned by any officially organising body. I also note that only one of the member federations (N Cyprus) appears to have a Wikipedia article, and that most of the "National Team" articles have also been under AfD. Still a very clear delete in my eyes. - fchd 17:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Err, the whole point of the board is to organise teams not connected to FIFA. Your last comment thus makes no sense at all. – Elisson • T • C • 14:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Part of a grassroots movement to help unregocnised nations gain that recognition through the sporting arena. The Sapmi and Northern Cypriot teams contain professional players, and many of the other nations have organised federations and national leagues. Superlinus 13:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- It is not Wikipedia's mission to "help unrecognised nations gain recognition", sorry. This is also not about the notability of some of the teams or of the national football cultures, but about the notability of the organisation. Sandstein 14:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Not only an important vehicle for smaller and unrecognised nations, but as for verifiable sources there has been a good deal of coverage of NF-B and other non-FIFA events in respected football publications such as World Soccer magazine. - grimdon01, 14:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- But coverage of this organisation? References, please. Sandstein 14:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Reliable sources exist, the BBC link gives quite a lot information about the board and its goals even though the article is short. UNPO and the NF-board made this declaration which also should be considered a reliable source (and not a self-published one, as it is another organisation that publishes it), and here's a report by the Organization for the European Minorities. The board and the cup has also had slightly more trivial coverage, but still coverage, by larger papers and media in Sweden and Norway. Minor governing bodies are usually not covered very much by media, but should, IMHO, be considered notable enough to have their own article partially based on the coverage given to arranged events and associated teams. I mean, how much info can be found on the Fédération de Foot-Ball de la Républic Islamique de Mauritanie, the governing body of football in Mauritania? Still, that federation should be considered notable on the grounds that they field a national team and that they arrange a national premier league which are better covered by media. The same goes for the NF-board. – Elisson • T • C • 14:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - A league of unrecognized nations, not 'fictional' nations. --Joffeloff 17:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep For the jurist: you should probably know the Bosman ruling: Bosmans lawyer was Luc Misson and exactly this Luc Misson was the initiator of NF-Board! Reliable Sources: Large German daily newspaper called Die Welt and Another German daily newspaper called Berliner Zeitung. Please, User:Sandstein, write a wikipedia:good article about Luc Misson instead of nominating Football (soccer)-articles for deletion.--Rheinländer 21:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Keep per Elisson. Patken4 22:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Keep The mainland of China was not recognized by the United States for decades, which proves that VERY NOTABLE nations are often denied recognition by those with the power to do so. But Wikipedia shouldn't play that kind of politics. Today's unrecognized nation may be tomorrow's superpower. Wikipedia's purpose is to inform, and this article is informative. Mauralarkins 22:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Commnet. I apologize in advance if that would offend you, Sandstein, but had you not been withdrawn your nomination. I would have called WP:POINT for this nomination due to your involvement with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sealand national football team. SYSS Mouse 17:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- What POINT, exactly, and how am I disrupting Wikipedia to prove it? Of course I've nominated some of these nonnotable teams for deletion, including that of Sealand. This in no way disqualifies me to nominate their (then apparently nonnotable) league as well, particularly if some of the comments on these team AfDs amount to "notable because it's a member of the NF-Board". Sandstein 18:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- I'm an admirer of Sandstein because he re-evaluated and changed his opinion. This is the type of person Wikipedia needs. Not everyone is able to second-guess himself. Thank you, Sandstein. Maura Larkins —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mauralarkins (talk • contribs) 18:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC).
- Keep per Elisson. Robotforaday 14:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Notable organisation. --Bob 02:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Keep While there may be 'weak' teams of 'non-existent' or 'fictional' countries as some have stated, the fact is that these teams do exist, have played international matches and are members of an organisation. The fact that it is not well known is neither here nor there. Surely that's the point of Wikipedia anyway? Hammersfan 10.00 GMT, 18/01/07
- This is now a moot issue, but the fact that something exists is certainly not sufficient for it to have an article; see the guideline WP:N and the policy WP:NOT#IINFO. Sandstein 10:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- As the original nominator has now withdrawn his/her nomination, shouldn't this AfD now be closed..........? ChrisTheDude 10:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- This is not generally done if there are any "delete" opinions. It'll be closed soon anyway. Sandstein 10:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Keep per Ellison. --Suleyman Habeeb 11:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
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