Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nourhanne

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep - CrazyRussian talk/email 22:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nourhanne

This article manages to simultaneously violate WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, and WP:V in nearly every sentence. As was written on the talk page, it has not a single saving grace sans that the topic is, in principle, notable. Nysin 23:04, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. This is an unencyclopaedic, fawning essay. Nysin 23:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support per hilarity of the entry. Bibigon 05:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 12:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose pending verification of claim of artist's significance, then needs removal of POV and wikification.Richardjames444 12:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - there does not appear to be any salvageable content after removal of all the POV content. If somebody can rewrite and cite sources, I'd change to a keep. -- Whpq 13:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep. Subject seems notable, but article needs massive cleanup and wikification. Serious WP:NPOV problems and better verifiable sources need to be addressed. In principle, subject is notable though. But article needs a complete rewrite. Scorpiondollprincess 14:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep although there may not be much more than the birth date left after the POV content has been removed. --DrTorstenHenning 15:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unless NPOV'd Dlyons493 Talk 16:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Support Lack of neutrallity in the article, not wikipedia wurthy to say the least Nourhanne 21:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Nuke it per my comment on the talk page.--Kungfu Adam ^(talk) 23:10, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Normally I would say "Keep", but I personally attempted to encourage someone, anyone, from Lebanese music, Lebanese culture and Lebanon to take an interest in improving and saving this article, and no one did. If even the Lebanese on Wikipedia don't care about Nourhanne, then I guess no one does. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 18:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unless excised of the neutrality issues mentioned above. --TheParanoidOne 20:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, - CrazyRussian talk/email 00:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• I have severely stubbed the article. I am relisting it solely on the underdiscussed issue of notability. Thank you. - CrazyRussian talk/email 00:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, the prior content was a copyvio from [1], which comes up on the first page of Google hits and shows what a poor job of looking into this y'all did. - CrazyRussian talk/email 00:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - In applying WP:MUSIC, the only one she seems to come close to is the "Has won a major music award" depending on the predominance of the "2005...Oscar video clip festival" win. As it stands there are no sources and the history above shows little interest in the article to get a reliable source. Willing to re-consider if advised of a change.--Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 00:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
  • The problem that I see if that we're searching in English, and should be searching in Arabic. Here's a scan of an article (?) from Al-balad magazine (however reputable that is) [2]. Any arabic speakers here? - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
    • There not much text in that scan. If the article is to operate as a useful source, it should have more than that (unless Arabic is remarkably denser than English). Nysin 01:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Right. I thought it was a front page, given the size of the picture, though of course I do not know. - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete (and quick before she escapes from those beads) - if nobody can provide reliable sources then it fails WP:OR so we don't have to worry about whether she meets WP:MUSIC. I have no problem with it being recreated with proper references once CrazyRussian has learnt Arabic. Yomangani 01:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Just needs some references Localzuk ^(talk) 13:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Her notability is better researched by using her Arabic name, نورهان (which I've just added to the entry). About 90k ghits, and I doubt her Lebanese fans are all that active on the web. I found a report in the "al bawaba" online newspaper confirming that she won an Oscar for ‘best young Arab female artist’s voice’ at the ‘Oscar Video Clip Festival’ in Cairo for her song "men zaman" (Long Ago). I'll add the reference. I'm a bit disappointed that, in this extended AfD, nobody bothered with a lil bit of very easy research. Bustter 14:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep the rewritten version, it's now a legitimate singer article. JIP | Talk 15:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Article as it now exists does seem to indicate significance. Badbilltucker 16:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment That's gratifying, guys, but now I have to write an entry for Nadia Lutfi :( ... Anyway, I jus would like to recommend to those who found the original "hilarious"...I'd like to see what you've written for the Arab Wiki.

• Keep. It's fine as it is now. Maybe it was worse at the time of nomination?  Cdcon  19:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes. See this version, the last before I added the AfD notice. Nysin 20:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The only statements that I see that are remotely POV are referring to one song as her best known, and the mention of pan-Arab stardom. I think that if some sources can be brought in, this article could be greatly improved. -- stubblyhead | ^T/_c 19:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• comment Stubbly, I've been up all night, first getting Nourhanne in decent shape, and now working on a Nadia Lutfi entry so as not to leave a stub...Nourhonne is in much better shape than when I found it. If you think it needs improvement, though, you are welcome to start grinding Arabic text through Google Language Tools, as I've been doing all night. Bustter 19:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
• See my response to Cdcon. Nysin 20:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• I just did, and now that I've seen the walking, breathing, living, tapdancing, craps-playing, snorkeling version I no longer feel like I did all the work.:) Bustter 21:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.