Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/North Olmsted High School

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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep. Redwolf24 01:36, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] North Olmsted High School

(moved from North olmsted high school). Christopher Parham (talk) 05:39, 2005 August 18 (UTC)

  • No notability proven. Slac speak up! 04:31, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. See Wikipedia:Schools for the history of the "schools" debate. --Alan Au 04:54, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, valid stub. Christopher Parham (talk) 05:39, 2005 August 18 (UTC)
  • Keep, it's a school and it's encyclopedic. If you delete it, please contribute the article to my wiki. Wikinerd 06:59, 18 August 2005 (UTC) not now because radiant blanked your page Yuckfoo 17:00, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Wikinerd, stop asking for other people to do your work. It's public domain, if you want it, take it --Outlander 19:46, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, wikipedia should give people access to this kind of important information. Kappa 07:08, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Why is this debate always about American schools? - Mgm|(talk) 08:26, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
    • Because most African schools don't have websites? Kappa 08:42, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
      • Why doesn't Wikiproject:Schools do something about this systemic bias? Radiant_>|< 09:08, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
      • Comment. I looked at the first seven or eight school deletion nominations of this month, and only about half of them seem to be of US schools. --Tony SidawayTalk 10:38, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
        • I was referring to the creating (or expanding) of articles on schools; surely you're not suggesting that the WikiProject Schools is responsible for the school deletion nominations? Radiant_>|< 14:16, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
        • No, actually I wrongly thought that this is what you were suggesting. Nor does that WikiProject govern the creating and expanding of school articles. They seem to be largely spontaneously occurring wikifauna. Their may be a fairly strong sieve effect favoring the deletion of schools outside the developed world, even taking into account the geographical concentrations of Wikipedians; less verifiable information is available. Ideas on how that might be counteracted would be welcome. --Tony SidawayTalk 14:38, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
          • See, that is precisely the problem. I'm talking about expanding or creating articles on schools outside of the US/UK area, and you are talking about countering the deletion of them. I've asked the very same question at WikiProject schools, but it seems that project is mostly inactive these days. Radiant_>|< 08:44, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with North Olmsted, Ohio. Does not appear to have any significance separate from its geographical locale (and no, Ohio state champions at soccer doesn't signify notability requiring a separate article to me - how many people show up to watch the Ohio state school soccer championships who aren't related to the players?). Average Earthman 11:18, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as four walls and a roof are not notable. Schoolcruft. Failing that, merge any info as per Average Earthman. Proto t c 11:59, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable per WP:Schools Delete arguments - brenneman(t)(c) 13:30, 18 August 2005 (UTC).
  • Keep: I am sure the stub shall grow over a period of time.--Bhadani 13:35, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. If it doesn't grow, Wikiproject:Schools could probably expand it.--Shanel 15:30, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Gosh, it has after school clubs. Dunc|☺ 15:40, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. -- DS1953 15:56, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
  • keep please this is not deletable because it is encyclopedic Yuckfoo 16:56, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep — as always. — RJH 17:14, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Schools are encyclopedic Guerberj 17:31, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep why would anyone want to delete this? Trollderella 18:12, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep per my reasoning at User:Gateman1997/Schools for Deletion. Gateman1997 20:12, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Abstain. I grow weary of this constant argument. . . they won't get deleted, so although it's your right to list them, please don't.--Scimitar parley 20:23, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Schools are inherently of little notability and have no encyclopedic value. An exceptionally small number, around 20, may have notability owing to age and quality of alumni. The rest are simply entirely insignificant. Worse, 99% of these articles exist merely to burden WP servers, because they contain only non-encyclopedic information you're supposed to get from the directory. See also Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Delete.—Encephalon | ζ  21:58:25, 2005-08-18 (UTC)
  • Delete Some high schools are noteworthy, not all. I don't see how this is notable. What's it's claim to fame if any? --Dysepsion 22:28, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Whether the article can grow is largely irrelevant; otherwise JDoorjam's cat's dietary journal would qualify in no time. Merge per Earthman. JDoorjam 22:44, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep As valid as all the others. Nominating schools disrupts Wikipedia and achieves nothing. Osomec 02:19, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and stop nomimating them until consensus is reached. --Ryan Delaney talk 03:45, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. This is not a notable high school, and the only people who would look this up are the people that live in the area and went to the school. Their only claim to fame is that they won a soccer championship and was attended by a semi-notable historian. My high school was visited by a president and won dozens of state titles, but that doesn't mean it deserves an article, because nobody cares about a little ol' school in the suburbs of a big city. If at all, it should just be merged with North Olmsted, Ohio. There's not enough room on Wikipedia to mention every school that has had a chess club and a no-name principal. (Notorious4life 04:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC))
  • Comment I think this is very interesting. I haven’t been here in over six months when there was a pretty even chance of this breaking even for keep/delete. Back then i was a deletionist and i am not going to say that the big shift in community opinion comes as a pleasant discovery. However, if our space ever outgrows our resources and something such as downsizing is necessary, i think you can rest assured that non-notable schools will be at least looked at as a target. if nothing else other people who arnt in support of these articles will jump at the chance. After this in time iv found that i dont really care and just wish this amount of energy could be focused don bringing our species description articles as up to date because were sorely lacking support in that area. Since species are more important than a simple human institution, the vigor of the support for the articles somewhat mystifys me. Fledgeling 04:34, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Unlike schools, species articles are not "endangered" (as it were) on wikipedia, and therefore do not need so much support. Since storage space is essentially free, the online version of wikipedia will never run out. Cut-down versions of wikipedia would however be useful for distribution, and for providing random page users with a more educational experience. These versions can be provided in a non-destructive way by rating or tagging existing pages, e.g. the recent validation proposal. Kappa 13:16, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • We keep railway stations. We keep bridges. We keep highways. We keep radio masts. We keep minutiae concerning fictional characters in forgettable science fiction and fantasy literature that no more than an utterly minisclue proportion of people are ever likely to be interested in. We do these things because we are building the biggest and most comprehensive encyclopedia in history. Thus it is logical that we keep schools. --Gene_poole 06:44, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Are we still debating whether to have articles on schools? We sure must have boring lives. --Zero 12:57, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and stop nomimating them until consensus is reached.--Nicodemus75 13:05, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Bicycle, for the usual reasons. —RaD Man (talk) 14:56, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: Why are so many suggesting that they stop being nominated "until consensus is reached"? I suggested not nominating them because they won't be deleted; in other words for practical, not philosophical reasons. There is no current discussion on consensus. Wikipedia Schools is dead. There is no ongoing effort to reach consensus, since the pro-school faction seem to resent any effort to put a bar on notability, as is their right, since they view all schools as notable. If the discussion is taking place somewhere and I just don't know about it, please correct me.--Scimitar parley 15:46, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
    • I agree. There's no ongoing effort; all talks have broken down. Until and unless the strongly inclusionist trend of the past four months either declines significantly, or solidifies into a consensus to keep schools, we'll have an impasse and VfD will be the appropriate forum for resolving the matter.
    • I'd observe that those supporting the existence of school articles have become better at concentrating their energy on nominated school articles, using the five-day lag time to research and clean up articles. Those opposing school articles have only one realistic response to this: to concentrate on preschools and other more controversial entries. This could be a realistic way of building support for the case that there should be some kind of boundary (which I would support--unverifiable entries, which preschools tend to be, shouldn't be on Wikipedia). --Tony SidawayTalk 16:10, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
    • The only real hope for those opposing school entries will be a serious decline of 'inclusionism'. Supporters will eventually turn to preschools and other institutions which may be less notable and research and clean up the articles in the same way now being undertaken for other schools. The view that schools are inherently notable includes private schools of all shape, preschools and other forms of schools. All VfD does at present, is force the cleaning up and researching of school stubs within the five-day lag time. In the meantime, the only sensible thing is continue VfD and for the 'inclusionists' to continue suggesting "stop nominating". This will be my vote on all schools I vote to keep from now on (or Bicycle).--Nicodemus75 20:37, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
      • So you're saying that all schools are important and deserve articles. Nobody's going to be writing a paper about school in metro Cleveland, where this information would be needed. The school has no importance, like many schools, and the article is useless. Should I make an article about my preschool, because our restroom had only one toilet and many kids, or how we couldn't go outside for our picnic because it was raining... no. It's pointless information, and nobody cares. The line has to be drawn somewhere. (Notorious4life 06:18, 20 August 2005 (UTC))
        • It's a matter of principle. You are right that nobody cares - I know several people who spend more energy (sometimes a lot more) on voting "keep" on school nominations, than on improving school articles. Radiant_>|< 08:44, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non notable. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 05:15, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete just one of a million schools. Go start a school wiki or something. --TimPope 07:41, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Abstain - It's a fundamental question of whether Wiki should list every school on the planet. PlainSight 02:14, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment. I say we stop if we get to Neptune and there are no schools there. --Tony SidawayTalk 22:25, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Boisemedia 22:06, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
  • Given that this is a short article, I suggest merge with North Olmsted City Schools which is a fairly small school district. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:49, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.