Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norrath

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete per consensus. Please note-the arbcom injunction sited here is specifically for television episodes and characters and is irrelevant. Consensus here says delete. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Norrath

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Unsourced, unnotable cruft that reads like a game guide.

There are no sources whatsoever on this article. Simply, an article must have third-party sources in order for it to be notable, in which case, it would have little to no notability to non-EverQuest players and the real world.

It contains cruft which is likely to attract original research, something not welcome in Wikipedia.

It appears to simply be a list of locations in a video games similar to a game guide, both of which are what Wikipedia is not.

There are too many issues in this article, and with the lack of activity on it, gives it little likelihood to survive. IAmSasori (talk) 17:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep. Inactivity is hardly a criterion for deletion. That said, the article does need some extreme cleanup, but AFD is not article cleanup, either. Google Scholar returns 290 hits for "Norrath" [1]. At least several appear to discuss the interplay of real-world people and the fictional geography directly. Often, 10% of Scholar hits are applicable to a topic. In this case, if even 1% apply, there will be ample sources available. I'll see what I can do, but many other fictional countries and places have ample references and support for articles. Serpent's Choice (talk) 22:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
    • I'll try to get more later, as I've become involved in a sourcing effort tied to another article's dispute. However, there are a number of sources that discuss characteristics of this fictional country in more or less direct language. There are discussions of its population, economy,[2] law,[3] and language.[4] [5] There has even been discussion about gender valuation in Norrath [6] and mention of changing social structures as the available zones and geography change.[7] Clearly, the massive zone listings will need pared (as WP:NOT a game guide), but that does not invalidate the significance of the topic, or its presence in reliable sources. Serpent's Choice (talk) 23:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. Someoneanother 15:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
  • keep The community of players of this game is large than that of many small cities, and so media devoted entirely to the game would seem to be as usable for information about it as would a small city newspaper. DGG (talk) 21:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete 1) all of the sources pointed out above and found by myself only mention the subject "Norrath" in a trivial way (fails WP:N), i.e. do not mention "Norrath" as being Norrath, but refer to it in such-and-such a context. 2) All of the information that could be obtained from such sources is better presented in the parent article EverQuest, for example in making the section EverQuest#Addiction a better section. User:Krator (t c) 22:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Fails WP:NOR, WP:NOT#GUIDE and WP:N. --MrStalker (talk) 08:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - per MrStalker's list of reasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orangemike (talk • contribs) 20:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete or maybe Merge into a related article since there seem to be so many other EverQuest articles. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 21:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete or Merge (with OR taken out). Although well-written by many wikipedians it still fails to provide any basic referenced and third-party criteria, as well as the following: WP:NOT#OR, WP:NOR, and WP:GAMEGUIDE--Sallicio\color{Red} \oplus 22:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
  • keep the sourcing by Serpent's Choice looks sufficient to me. Obviously, OR should be removed. But the article itself appears to meet WP:N. JoshuaZ (talk) 00:13, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Everquest is a fictional game. it is therefore similar enough to the other material covered by the injunction at arb com to be included under the injunction, which the arb com has stated is to be interpreted broadly. . The discussion here ought therefore to be suspended for the interim, so it does not get involved in things that will need it to be done over. DGG (talk) 04:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - fails WP:A. Cloudz679 (talk) 13:58, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.