Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noonien Soong
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was speedy keep, no need to disrupt things to make a WP:POINT. There's no way this is getting deleted, so we may as well end the discussion. Proto||type 09:25, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Noonien Soong
Another minor Star Trek character like Curzon Dax above. Brian G. Crawford 02:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Good info -Nv8200p talk 02:52, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, the precedent on these characters was set long ago - if this goes, dozens of others would have to as well.Bridesmill 02:52, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, owrthwhile article. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 03:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, as per precedent. Obviously notable and very important Star Trek character. Carioca 03:02, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, per the above. Badgerpatrol 03:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, per the above. Very notable. Dude, he created Data.Geedubber 03:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep not cruft, should be merged into a yet to be created list of minor TNG characters. Dspserpico 03:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per above. DarthVader 03:58, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per Bridesmill and Geedubber. BryanG 04:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep I'm no huge fan of Star Trek, but as non-mains go, he's a pretty important character. Danny Lilithborne 04:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per above. SorryGuy 04:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep notable character. More then enough content to keep a stand-alone article. --Rob 04:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep unless there is an appropriate article to merge into. --Ajdz 04:32, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Very notable, plenty of sources to verify, and plenty of content for own article.--Cini 04:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment although Soong is an important part of several TNG storylines he's still a minor character, like Grand Nagus Zek in DS9. Dspserpico 04:45, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- But, if there's sufficient content for an article, why merge? List_of_Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine_characters is an example of what's wrong with such "List of character" articles. It places unrelated characters next to each other, for alphabetical reasons. Merging is appropriate when there's not enough content to sustain an article, or when everything said about one character applies to another character, or applies to a single episode, where its better located. In this case, I can't see what utility is served by a List of Star Trek: The Next Generation characters. --Rob 05:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- OMG that list is messed up. So many of those character deserve their own page. Geedubber 05:20, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment "sufficient material" is not the barometer of whether or not a fictional character (or anything else) deserves a stand-alone article on Wikipedia, notability is. Minor characters should be places on a list per WP:FICT. Dspserpico 05:36, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- So, do you think it's ok to take multiple full-length articles and make super-long composite articles? That seems to be a downright lousy system of presenting information. WP:FICT is an out-of-the-way guideline, that reflects the "consensus" of a limited number, and doesn't reflect long standing consensus expressed on AFD results, for a long time. --Rob 05:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment you may be right on Soong, I was staring at the article seeing if there was any good way to pare down the article, there really isn't. Perhaps there's a better way to fit WP:FICT into this, espeically when dealing with a long running TV series. But there is still plenty of stubs of truly minor characters that need to be merged into a TNG list. I guess I just found myself a project. Dspserpico 05:52, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- I tried starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (fiction). I'm not anti-merge per se. But, we need to think up some better criteria for them. I do agree with you, that there probably are some other TNG stubs that need merging. But, the question to ask, is where to merge them to. I'm not sure another "List of loosely related characters" is the way to go. --Rob 06:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment you may be right on Soong, I was staring at the article seeing if there was any good way to pare down the article, there really isn't. Perhaps there's a better way to fit WP:FICT into this, espeically when dealing with a long running TV series. But there is still plenty of stubs of truly minor characters that need to be merged into a TNG list. I guess I just found myself a project. Dspserpico 05:52, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- So, do you think it's ok to take multiple full-length articles and make super-long composite articles? That seems to be a downright lousy system of presenting information. WP:FICT is an out-of-the-way guideline, that reflects the "consensus" of a limited number, and doesn't reflect long standing consensus expressed on AFD results, for a long time. --Rob 05:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- But, if there's sufficient content for an article, why merge? List_of_Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine_characters is an example of what's wrong with such "List of character" articles. It places unrelated characters next to each other, for alphabetical reasons. Merging is appropriate when there's not enough content to sustain an article, or when everything said about one character applies to another character, or applies to a single episode, where its better located. In this case, I can't see what utility is served by a List of Star Trek: The Next Generation characters. --Rob 05:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment although Soong is an important part of several TNG storylines he's still a minor character, like Grand Nagus Zek in DS9. Dspserpico 04:45, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep What is with the sudden cause to delete Fictional stuff? Aeon 06:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. Soong is vital to a complete understanding of Star Trek, which has so much of a presence in popular culture that it deserves integration of principals such as this character.Captainktainer 09:19, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
