Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Non-Christian views of Jesus

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Will redirect to Religious perspectives on Jesus. --Coredesat 08:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Non-Christian views of Jesus

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This is wikipedia, not wikiquote. Furthermore, the topic of this article is clearly covered in Religious perspectives on Jesus and Jesus and history. There was no reason to create this spinout article, and no prior discussion. Furthermore, it is extremely POV. Every quote is a puff piece about Jesus. Is it really representative of the non_Christian view of Jesus? Andrew c 18:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• Neutral We have "Non-Islamic views of Muhammad". The neutrality problem can be dealt with. But it might be better to move this to wikiquote. --Aminz 19:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
• Transwiki to Wikiquote, this is merely a collection of quotations, with a single bland introductory phrase. Not even a bare-bones article. --Dhartung | Talk 19:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, then redirect to Religious perspectives on Jesus - non-Christian views are already covered and several of them have their own article. --BigDT 20:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete POV fork. Sophia 21:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Good idea, but topic is already covered under Religious perspectives on Jesus - redirect there, wikiquote the content. Pastordavid 21:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
• Transwiki. Should be kept, but irrelevant in wikipedia. Put into wikiquote ɪŋglɪʃnɜː(r)d(Suggestion?|wanna chat?) 22:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep There is also an article Christian views of Jesus - very POV. It talks about how one group of people views Jesus. You can't have a NPOV article that discusses how people view a topic. The Christian POV (view) of Jesus is very different from the Jewish POV (view) of him. With expansion, the Non-Christian views of Jesus can be made into a good article. Goalie1998 22:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - just because we do not have another article by this title does not mean we do not have this content. The Religious views article covers the Christian and many non-Christian POVs. Then we have the series on Jesus and History which covers the scholarly/historian/secular POV. I believe because of existing content, there is no need for this specific spinout article. Furthermore, look and read the current article. If we transwikified the quotes to wikiquote, what would we be left with? And do the quotes actually represent tha various non-Christian POVs on Jesus? Or just selected quotes of non-Chrsitians saying good things about him? The reason why I am commenting is in reply to your post at Talk:Jesus. I wanted to keep all the discussion centralized. Sorry if I am repeating myself.-Andrew c 22:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I realize now that I wasn't being clear at all before. There should be an article "Non-Christian views of Jesus." But I do believe what is currently in the article does not belong. My point by bringing up the Christian Views of Jesus was to show that most of the content in that article is covered in other articles as well, but we still have it to organize it into one article. I believe that we can do the same with "Non-Christian views of Jesus." Goalie1998 23:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect/transwiki as above. One POV fork does not justify another. Grover cleveland 00:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect per above: POV fork; We already have the Jesus and history which links to several different viewpoints, many discussed already in Historical Jesus, as well as Religious perspectives on Jesus, linking to many religious views. There's no need to separate it like this. —Aiden 11:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is not a collection of quotes. Beit Or 09:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.