Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nokia 6151
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Merge => Nokia 6xxx series; this is essentially a Keep content result. I do not agree with the premise that this cannot be merged unless it is part of a systematic set of mergers. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nokia 6151
I PRODded this article with rationale: "Non-notable product; fails WP:CORP, since no independent coverage is given. Sources cited are the vendor's web site, a blog platform (WP:SPS), and a web site that copied information from the vendor." PROD was contested. I would like to add that mobile phone models are so short-lived that permanent notability of a single model is rather unlikely. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding 16:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Nokia is the world's largest manufacturer of mobile phones and its models usually have sales numbers in the millions. For hard facts like technical data, the manufacturer's own site is normally regarded as a reliable source, and if an independent source is accepting the manufacturer as a reliable source and adopting the data from there, this is to be seen as an additional verification. The added remark seems to confuse the commercial availability of a product with its encyclopedic notability; by the same logic one had to delete nearly all articles about cars or home computer models, or indeed biographical articles once the article's subject has died. Due to the important role mobile phones are playing in people's everyday lives, (and its role in Nokia's product strategy), this mobile phone, as many others, is likely to be prop up in films and photos, diaries, attics and technology history contemplations decades after its sales have officially ended. Regards, High on a tree 18:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
- It's a consequence of the guidelines. See WP:CORP#Recommendations for products and services: Individual products are generally not notable and should be included in an article about the company, or in an article of broader scope (which already exists in this case, actually there's not much to merge, if anything). For the general remark: These phones receive temporary secondary coverage when they are released, and will probably not be covered afterwards, so it falls into what is described in WP:N#Notability is not temporary. In five years from now, I think no one will be interested in what a Nokia 6151 is, or in which colours it was available. --B. Wolterding 09:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- Merge/redir to Nokia 6xxx series (along with most all of the individual models listed on Template:Nokia phones, to their respective 'series' article). For the most part, having articles on specific cell phone model numbers is akin to having separate articles for Ford Expedition V-6 and Ford Expedition V-8. Sohelpme 20:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
- Keep or Merge. Random pick-offs of articles in a comprehensive series do more harm than good to the project. Dhaluza 20:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- The choice is not random: This article had been tagged with notability concerns since November 06. --B. Wolterding 09:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- It's random in the sense that there are dozens of similar articles, and the same AfD argument could be made to others. Editors are working on a series of articles here with comprehensive coverage of a subject area. Perhaps each individual phone make/model does not need a separate article, but how to merge them is an editorial decision that is not suitable for AfD. The nominator is requesting deletion, which erases the content, history and link. All of these should be preserved. The phone obviously exists and was sold to the public in non-trivial numbers. Dhaluza 10:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- I would agree with you on the dozens of similar articles, but that's an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. Also, had I listed them all for deletion per WP:BUNDLE, the nomination would probably have been rejected since I was "nominating too many articles at the same time". So I'm nominating the one at hand. I am requesting deletion since I think that the article's content is not worth being kept. However, if "Nokia 6151" is considered a likely search term, I'm happy with a redirect as well. --B. Wolterding 12:14, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- It's random in the sense that there are dozens of similar articles, and the same AfD argument could be made to others. Editors are working on a series of articles here with comprehensive coverage of a subject area. Perhaps each individual phone make/model does not need a separate article, but how to merge them is an editorial decision that is not suitable for AfD. The nominator is requesting deletion, which erases the content, history and link. All of these should be preserved. The phone obviously exists and was sold to the public in non-trivial numbers. Dhaluza 10:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- The choice is not random: This article had been tagged with notability concerns since November 06. --B. Wolterding 09:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Plenty of independent sources about this product, e.g. [1] [2]. JulesH 22:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
- Merge only if it is done systematically as Sohelpme suggests, otherwise Keep. Katherine Tredwell 23:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
