Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nokia 3220

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus - I can't find consensus here; the article is kept by default. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 06:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nokia 3220

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AFD after a contested prod. This non-notable phone article has zero references yet makes bold and weaselly claims. WP is not a product guide. References are likely to be the manufacturer's website and non-substantial reviews. Mikeblas 03:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:08, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Article mainly describes the technical data of the phone; no independent references are given, no hint contained why this particular product is notable. --B. Wolterding 11:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete in the absence of substantial third-party sources. Jakew 15:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep It has a lot of info already and it seems to have great potental. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobsmith319 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete As failing WP:N and for bordering on product advertising. Someone has created over 100 article, listing that many different models of Nokia phones, apparently presently or recently for sale. This article has no references to show the particular model is notable, or to show when it was introduced, how well it was accepted by consumers, what problems if any it had in getting to market or in gaining acceptance, or how well it sold. It does include information about the special features of each. It reads like a copy of text from a company website rather than an encyclopedia article, This tends to turn Wikipedia into a product catalog (though without prices). If spammy and unreferenced articles about every current Nokia product is appropriate because it has some kind of inherent notability, then it would be equally appropriate to create a separate article for every item in the 1904 Sears Roebuck Catalog, or any other list of the products sold by any other notable company in any era. I don't think we want to go there. Edison 02:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, looks like a notable product. JIP | Talk 10:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as it look like a guide but more like an advertisement.--JForget 23:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep The Nokia 3220 was the first entry-level phone that offered full access to the Internet. (You can read Wikipedia on this phone.) While these features were available on "business" phones, this was the first Nokia phone with a XHTML browser and and POP3/IMAP email client that was marketed to consumers. This is the device that will make the IPv4 address space run out! -- Petri Krohn 03:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. The article doesn't cite any verifiable references for Nokia's marketing strategy. It doesn't even link to a definition for "entry-level phone", or explain why not everyone who buys a phone is a consumer. -- Mikeblas 03:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

  P.S. There is an article on this on seven other languages. Seems that others think this product is notable. -- Petri Krohn 03:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

  • I don't see why these are valid arguments for keeping the article. All these points might be worth mentioning in a general article on Nokia mobile phones (if they can be sourced), but that doesn't mean we should have an article on the particular phone model. Once this particular phone did make the IPv4 address space run out, and multiple sources have reported that, one can reconsider whether an article would be appropriate... --B. Wolterding 07:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. People translate articles they shouldn't bother translating every day. -- Mikeblas 03:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - a reasonably notable phone, known for XHTML and its flashy faceplates. ANDROS¹³³⁷ 16:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.