Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nokia 1100

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Mackensen (talk) 13:11, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nokia 1100

This is the first in a long list of Nokia product articles that will never be expanded are non encyclopedic. I have only tagged this one because there is a limit to my ability to push keys with my mortal fingers, and they outnumber me.

Nokia 1100 Nokia 3100 Nokia 3110 Nokia 3200 Nokia 3210 Nokia 3210 Nokia 3220 Nokia 3230 Nokia 3310 Nokia 3410 Nokia 3595 Nokia 3650 Nokia 6230 Nokia 6260 Nokia 6600 Nokia 6610i Nokia 6620 Nokia 6630 Nokia 6670 Nokia 6680 Nokia 6681 Nokia 6682 Nokia 6810 Nokia 7650 Nokia 9000 Nokia 9210 Nokia 9300 Nokia 9500 Nokia N70
Not phones Nokia M1122 Nokia MW1122 Nokia DX200
Future products (Speedy?) Nokia N90 Nokia N91

There appears to have been some effort in this area before, as several (not listed above) have re-directs already:

Nokia 3120 Nokia 3200 Nokia 3205 Nokia 3210 Nokia 3210 Nokia 3220 Nokia 3230 Nokia 3310 Nokia 3315 Nokia 3390 Nokia 3410 Nokia 3510i Nokia 3560 Nokia 3620 Nokia 3660 Nokia 7110

If there is public outcry, I am willing to go back and properly tag every bloody page but I'd rather not. Aaron Brenneman 8 July 2005 07:43 (UTC)

• Keep all of them (or else merge them together to some some list of Nokia phones). Individual models of mobile phones are notable enough. The fact that these stubs are unlikely to be expanded is not a valid criterion for deletion. Sjakkalle (Check!) 8 July 2005 08:43 (UTC)
  • And many of the articles aren't stubs either. Sjakkalle (Check!) 8 July 2005 08:44 (UTC)
• Keep all. Never seen the 'articles that will never be expanded' argument before, most of the articles have been edited in the last couple of months. RustyCale 8 July 2005 08:52 (UTC)
• Weak Keep. It is my opinion that having an article for every Nokia model is a bit excessive and unencyclopedic. However, this is not a uniform series of stubs (and several have been expanded beyond stub status) so it doesn't seem appropriate to delete them all with a single vote. - Thatdog 8 July 2005 08:57 (UTC)
• Comment I apologise if I gave the impression that this was a list of stubs. If it were, and if there was a chance that they could have been expanded into articles that warrented inclusion, I would not have nominated them for deletion. But despite the fact that these have information in them and despite the fact that they are being updated, they are simply not notable. If someone famous kills someone else famous by bashing them with the Nokia 3310 then it becomes notable. I'll even withdraw the 6600 because it was the most exciting actor in Cellular. Aaron Brenneman 8 July 2005 10:47 (UTC)
• Keep some of them. A lot of these phones are nothing special like the 3510i and 3205 for example, they are just ordinary series 40 phones but the 1100 is probably the most "basic" one they have made yet and is very popular in third-world countries
  • Comment It is polite, Towel401 to state when voting on pages to which you contribute. Aaron Brenneman 8 July 2005 12:00 (UTC)

Man, I have to get out of the house more often. I sound like an ass. Aaron Brenneman 8 July 2005 12:06 (UTC)

• Keep Nokia is the worlds most well known mobile phone manufacutrer. Anyway there is a demand to have neutral resource such as Wikipedia for finding out about mobile phones, most searches on google for mobile phones are spam for ringtones and the like. NSR (talk) 8 July 2005 11:33 (UTC)
• Keep Nokia phones are notable and different from each other. Kappa 8 July 2005 12:07 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - All notable products. Andros 1337 8 July 2005 12:25 (UTC)
• Keep. James F. (talk) 8 July 2005 13:16 (UTC)
• Can't all of this be Merged? How likely is it that anyone will want to know the features of one individual phone as opposed to comparing two or more anyway. How likely is it that anyone who wants to know this information will come to here and not to, say, Nokia's web site? On the other hand, a Nokia 1100 seems more notable than the GNAA -- Marvin01 | talk 8 July 2005 15:44 (UTC)
• Delete or redirect to the List of Nokia products catalog article. Just because someone who works for Nokia decided to make an article for every one of their products doesn't mean we have to give them the free advertizing. Articles for some consumer products should have articles, but this is ridiculous. Jack Daniels deserves an article because people know it and ask for it by name. Ask anyone what exact model phone they have and 90% of them won't get any more specific than "Nokia". That's why Nokia has an article. This isn't encyclopedic in the least. -R. fiend 8 July 2005 16:01 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't consider these articles advertising, since most of these phones are no longer in production. If anything, this large series of articles would only serve to baffle someone trying to select a phone for purchase.  ;) - Thatdog 8 July 2005 18:22 (UTC)
• Keep for two reasons: a) the articles are okayly informative (or could be in future, anyway) and b) my phone is a Nokia 3120. :-) Hermione1980 8 July 2005 18:05 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge. I think it'd be best if these were all on one page... but that may be a bit much. -- 24.12.224.172 8 July 2005 18:26 (UTC)
• Delete per R. fiend. Also note that claims in the article may be original research if no references are supplied. These sorts of individual articles for dozens of items that are nearly identical are a bad idea, and even worse when you consider how quickly these sorts of consumer products become obsolete and replaced with new models. This is the equivalent of having 40 different articles for the Ford Mustang automobile, one for every model year since it was introduced in 1965. How about doing something useful? Merge into product lines and provide redirects making it easier to compare features by having all the info someone might want in a single place, rather than scattering it all over wikipedia in dozens of little articles with repetitive, nearly identical content. 165.189.91.148 8 July 2005 18:39 (UTC) Sorry, got logged out before I saved. This is Quale 8 July 2005 18:40 (UTC)
• keep or merge the shorter texts into List of Nokia products. This is verifiable and noteworthy. Brighterorange 8 July 2005 21:33 (UTC)
• Merge. Having this many pages for exact phone models is craziness. For the sake of simplifying maintenance, merge these into one page. The article quality will not suffer, since we'r'e dealing almost exclusively with stubs so no information need be excised.Fernando Rizo 8 July 2005 22:22 (UTC)
• Merge by product line. --Carnildo 8 July 2005 23:11 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge -- cell phones may be trivial now, but just like the Ford Thunderbird or the Studebaker to the auto industry, in a few decades these devices will be talked about as classics of the information age. Fuzheado | Talk 9 July 2005 01:36 (UTC)
• Keep or merge. This is just what WP is for: each of these phones has waaaaay outsold all today's teen-band listings and Nokia is so huge it imparts parental notability. If we're not just a little careful, we'll have WP:MOBILE and WP:CELLULAR to help us determine notability. -Splash 9 July 2005 02:40 (UTC)
• Merge the lot of them. They're informative, but a list would allow for easier comparison. Radiant_>|< July 9, 2005 08:05 (UTC)
  • Perhaps a split of List of Nokia products can be done, with Nokia Original Series, Nokia Basic series (1xxx and 2xxx, even though the 1xxx series are ultrabasic), Nokia Expression Series (3xxx), Nokia Active Series (5xxx), Nokia Classic Series (6xxx), Nokia Fashion Series (7xxx), Nokia Premium Series (8xxx), Nokia Smartphone Series (9xxx), and Nokia NSeries. This would clean up List of Nokia products and would allow more detail on each page. Andros 1337 9 July 2005 13:04 (UTC)
    • Well, that's better than having a thousand separate articles anyway. -R. fiend 9 July 2005 15:21 (UTC)
• Merge to a single article. ~~~~ 9 July 2005 16:33 (UTC)
• Keep all. Encyclopedic subject. Some articles need cleanup. Despite Aaron Brenneman's claim, there seems to be regular maintenance work on these articles. They're obviously interesting to somebody and if I want to know about a Nokia I will probably look it up here. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 19:52, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Where did I claim that? DamnThatOtherPersonalityIsComingOutAgain 13:03, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Phone cruft. I'll be honest, I only looked at the first few, so it's possible there are other articles later in the series which are better, but the ones I looked at didn't seem notable. RoySmith 23:02, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete strongly feel this is non-encyclopedic content. We are not going to have articles for every model of every item ever made in the world in here are we? It's an encyclopedia, folks, not a library of product manuals. DavidH 02:17, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete this non-encyclopedic content. It might be okay to discuss differences in series, but even merging discussion of differences in models seems tedious and commercial. Wikipedia has become a victim of its own success. Davilla 12:49, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

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