Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nintendo NSider Forums

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Cbrown1023 talk 23:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nintendo NSider Forums

This page needs to be revived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.9.108 (talk) 17:52, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


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Has been tagged as needing sources since November 2006. No sources have been forthcoming. Fails WP:ATT. Carolfrog 08:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom, possible Merge into main Nintendo article. Rambling, unsourced article going into gigantic and excruciating detail describing, well, that it's a gaming forum, and my, it has categories and topics and ranks users per number of posts they've made. My uncertainty about a Merge comes from that the main Nintendo article, either as a "See also" or an external link, doesn't acknowledge this forum at all; possibly it isn't as important as all of that even in the eyes of Nintendo itself? RGTraynor 09:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Conditional Keep, the NSider is notable given it has received recognition from Nintendo Power, but the article itself lacks resources and references to back up claims; See WP:Verify and WP:original research. Unless users can turn up some reliable references, I'd say its best redirect the article to Nintendo, under some GCN section - as the NSider was originally created to promote Nintendo products around that time - or so NP claimed --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  18:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. All it needs is more refs. It is too big of an article to merge with Nintendo. To RGTraynor: You're forgetting that Wikipedia isUSER EDITED. The only reason that the Nintendo article doesn't link to Nsider is because nobody added it, not necessarily because Nintendo doesn't think it's important. Joiz A. Shmo 19:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Comment: Companies routinely have people monitoring Wikipedia nowadays; I doubt a computer corporation Nintendo's size fails to do so. I agree that an article that size shouldn't be merged with the main article. Where I disagree is that the exhaustive list of features (much like those of every other forum) is worth including. RGTraynor 01:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge into Nintendo after trimming the unencyclopedic, unverifiable content which comprises about 95% of the article. --SubSeven 01:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge after trimming. And by trimming, I mean removing everything except the "Creation" paragraph. --Mus Musculus 20:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge: I've been looking at the articles for other online forums, and the sections on Nsider's structure are significantly longer than most articles. Let's trim and merge like others are saying. -PsychoYoshi 00:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
  • No merge. This would be completely out of place in the Nintendo article. Keep or delete. --- RockMFR 13:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
  • This page needs to be deleted because it is a blatant attempt at advertising. If smaller boards can't advertise, neither should NSider. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.184.141.253 (talk • contribs)
This isn't advertising, it's an article about a real forum. If it said "Please join" or anything like that, then it would be advertising. Joiz A. Shmo 19:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I recently created an article about my personal forum. Nowhere in the article did it say 'Please join' but it was deleted for advertising. I don't see how that example differs from NSider. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Divine Corsair (talk • contribs)
Because it was your PERSONAL forum. I would be surprised if you got half as many hits in a week as NSider gets in a day. Also, by making an article about your own forum, you were, in fact, advertising. Joiz A. Shmo 02:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
If you are now saying that articles should be deleted or kept on basis of hits, there are hundreds if not thousands of articles that should go right now, such as the article on The List of UN resolutions concerning Israel. Now I'm sure that gets a lot of hits. Or how about The Original Soul Seekers? Many hits per day, right? Otherwise, according to you, they shouldn't be there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Divine Corsair (talk • contribs)
Comment, Please see Wikipedia:Notability (web). Long story short, Official websites that feature verifiable and substantial information are allowed on Wikipedia as long as they meet Wikipedia's policies towards WP:Attribution to WP:reliable sources. This article was not nominated for deletion because it seems like an advertisement, but rather because it fails to meet the aforementioned policies --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  03:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Wikipedia:Notability (web) - There's not much, if anything, that can be merged at this point. The reason why proper sources haven't been found is that there probably aren't any, at least that would support the article's content in its current state. I'm trying to think of an appropriate concept to describe my concern, without rehashing the same "what is notability" debate that often takes place with "keepers", and the closest analog I can think of at the moment is the "in-universe" perspective for writing about fiction. This isn't exactly fiction, but the article does cater to a narrow "inside" viewpoint, and it seems there is nothing available to balance it. The fact is that this is probably a topic that can't be covered properly by Wikipedia. It best belongs in some other gaming wiki. Dancter 16:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, Where does wikipedia draw the line between what is advertising and what is not? Just because this forum has more recognition than some forum a kid can create because he was bored, doesn't make it any more fair that they can't have a wiki and NSider can. I say delete it. Or at least merge it with the Nintendo wiki. Last Living Soul 20:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Read WP:Notability (web). That is where the line is drawn. --SubSeven 17:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - If you trimmed all the useless stuff out of this article there would pretty much be nothing left. Merging it into the Nintendo article is no good either because, as someone else has already stated, it would be entirely out of place there. NuncAutNunquam Talk 03:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
It might be out of place based on the current article's structure, but that doesn't mean a place cannot be created. The main Nintendo article mentions little to nothing about Nintendo's marketing of its products, so why not simply create a section on marketing (or, an entirely different article?) Obviously the entire creation section shouldn't be merged, but there's no denying that an online community that dates back 10 years (if you count Loudhouse and HTS, Nsider's forerunners) has some significance and should not be ignored. -PsychoYoshi 04:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
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