Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nina Hunt

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep Spartaz ^Humbug! 19:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nina Hunt

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Completely unsourced bio of choreographer with dubious notability. Google searches for "nina hunt" were not helpful in establishing credibility. Declined speedy (I had it tagged as a hoax, but creator avers on talk page that they are a relative of Hunt). Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete notability so far non-established and meaningful ghits are basically zero. -- Alexf⁴² 17:02, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Alexf, I've left you a longish note on the articles talk page regarding this. 80.225.110.64 (talk) 18:15, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I have also made an article about Dimitri Petrides, Nina's husband, that is supported by links I have attactched. This may help to disporve the proposterous claims that I have lied in the article about Nina.80.225.97.80 (talk) 19:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, I think anyone offered to choreograph two Olypic Gold Medalists for the Olympics must fall into the category "noteable".In terms of published sources, I am pretty sure that Bill and Bobbie (Irvine), in their 1970 autobiography "The Dancing years" discussed Nina's role in their careers. Though it is not in print yet, we were recently asked by someone in Canada writng a book about dancing to send some photographs of Nina and Dimitri for the book. Hope this is helpful and sorry to have created an article that has caused so much dispute. It is just something that I have always felt something that I have always felt strongly about (them each having a wikipedia article) as many of their pupils appear on wikipedia, many having gone on to much greater things (Len is now a T.V. personality for example and Bill and Bobbie's MBE's - the first ever awarded for dancing at the time they were awarded them in 1967 as far as I am aware, this could be added to their article -being yet more proof of this). As in most sports, the coaches have the least to gain and they were never recognised beyond several awards for their contribution to Latin. As further evidence, I knew relatively little about them apart from a picture of them dancing with the band of Victor Silvester OBE hung above our piano. I discovered an article telling a biography of Dimitri from a newspaper cutout from before his death which sparked my interest. I spoke with my Dad and, at the party of one of Nina's pupils spoke to Bobbie and some other friends of Nina's though I had never heard of many of them! Watching Strictly Come Dancing, I discovered that Nina had taught Len Goodman at one point and doing some searching on the interenet found references to both Nina and Dimitri on Walter and Miriam Kaiser's tribute site and one site listing winners of a particular dance award (it may have been the Carl-Alan) over the years with Nina on. I found a particularly old copy of Dimitri's book and my Mother's wedding shoes which had been made by "Petrides". One other pair of "pupils" who I have not mentioned and you will find on google are Sammy Stopford and barbara McColl and whose party it was I met the popel at. Hope this all helps and sorry again . All I can do is ask you to not delete the article. Thanks. 80.225.110.64 (talk) 18:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nina_Hunt" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dleep (talk • contribs) 19:45, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete as original research, per this in the article: "Sources: Conversations with many people involved with Nina including Bill and Bobbie, Ian (her son) family freinds and other dancers who are not menioned in the article. The writer also has acess to the trophies from her awards. Books such as "Ballroom Icons" (unpublished so far) and "The Dancing Years"." KleenupKrew (talk) 21:29, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, unable to corroborate anything in the article through reliable sources except the existence of a dance career. Not notable per WP:BIO. --Dhartung | Talk 22:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

AS proof of Nina's sucess, I have taken a photo of the Carl-Alan and Golden Dance-Shoe awards and of a picture of her and Dimitri dancing with top conductor, Victor Silvester OBE and am struggling to put them on the article. Dleep.

The unpublished book by a Candian author I had to submit pictures for of Nina and her husband, Dimitri, is called "Ballroom Icons" if this can count as proof of third party Published (soon) evidence of this article not being a lie. As Nina's Grandson, I have easy access to all the facts. Dleep (talk) 12:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Go to google and type in "Carl-Alan award winners" and one hit will come up from idta listing all winners 1953-2004 on abode reader. If you scroll down, you will find awards being presneted by one of Nina's pupils, Len Goodman, and if you scroll down to 1968, you will find "Nina Hunt" written second on the list followed by Bill and Bobbie Irvine MBE, two of her pupils. I am holding the award right now and it says on the front "Carl-Alan Teachers Award 1968 Nina Hunt" and on the book give a long explanation of its History which, to prove that I have the trophy says "Carl-Alan 1968 Awarded Annually for outstanding contributions to Members of the Ballroom Dancing Industry First presented in 1953 and named after Carl L. Heimann and Alan B. Fairley" 80.225.217.27 (talk) 07:50, 3 May 2008 (UTC) Dleep (talk) 07:53, 3 May 2008 (UTC)Dleep (talk) 07:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Nina clearly counts as noteable having read the criteria. AS I have mentioned in the above entry, there are independent sources proving that she won awards, Dimitri (her husband) appeared in Newspapers before his death and she is a part of several books on the subject of Dance including, as I have mentioned, Bill and Bobbie Irvines autiobiographies, and an unpublished book which we have been asked to provide photograps and Nina and Dimitri for. Pupils of hers all appear on Wikipedia such as Len Goodman, Bill and Bobbie Irvine MBE and people who asked for her to choreograph them such as Torville and Dean and people such as Victor Silvester OBE who accompanied her dancing on several occasions, as testimony to which I have a picture of her and Dimtri dancing to his band playing which I have so far not managed to place on the article and it is entirely true to say that they would not have got to where they did without her, indeed she and Bobbie often joked that it was really Nina's MBE. She was asked to choreograph Olympic Gold Medalists! If this does not all count as "noteable" then the system for deciding what is must have some fundemental flaw. Dleep (talk) 08:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Continuing to post justifications here will probably not help. I've tried pointing you toward the relevant guidelines, but you don't seem to be using them to improve the article. No one is accusing you of lying about your relative, by the way, just asking that the information is verifiable. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

If no one is accusing me of lying, then why is the page being deleted. The information is not verifiable unless you have access to editions of dance newspapers from the 1980's or access to the unpublished "Ballroom Icons" or have checked, as I suggested the website listing all Carl-Alan award winners since 1953. I am unsure how to load pictures I have taken of the awards and her and Dimitri (whose article has been deleted despite his nteability) dancing with renound musician Victor Silvester onto the site. There is nothing more I can do to prove it short of physically talking to you face to face or getting people who will back me up to talk to you face to face. If you are not accusing me of lying and have done research for the award website as I suggested, why is verification required. I understand the need for proof but have done my best to prove the truth of the article. Dleep (talk) 14:00, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

The page isn't being deleted - the page has been nominated for deletion (by me) and it is now being discussed by other editors and admins. Don't take the nomination as a personal attack against you or your relative. This is your chance to improve the page per WP guidelines (such as WP:BIO WP:PROVEIT and WP:NOTABILITY) and prevent it from being deleted. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. One assertion of notability is that she won a Carl Alan Award, presented by the International Dance Teachers Association, in 1968. This was verified per the IDTA website. The CAA meets the criteria of notability: an international-level award by a widely-recognized body in the field. With the addition of the reference to the IDTA web site I just made [1] (PDF file, which might be why it wasn't searchable), the notability/verifiability hurdle is met. —C.Fred (talk) 14:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. If this can be sourced to dance newspapers from the 1980s then that's fine by Wikipedia's notability standards. Dleep, can you provide the names and dates of the newspapers that reference the subject? That will clear up any doubt about this. There is no requirement that sources should be available online. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Can check dates of paper articles with her over next few days and post them. Will have to do some searching around but should be possible. Thanks for posting "keeps" and thanks to whoever cleared up the article and organised it. Dleep (talk) 07:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

• keep. Despite WP:COI issues, and lack of current sourcing, notability seems to be present, and sources are turning up. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

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