Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nikki Feroni

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 15:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nikki Feroni

Notability/importance in question. Might warrant an article in a few years. Top google results are official website and myspace. ghits: [1] — NMChico24 11:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete for now at least - can always be recreated when she achieves more. Dlyons493 Talk 14:11, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - Is google really the basis for cross-reference of notability? I should have taken note, but I am pretty certain that I've seen articles on people of less publicized repute (eg. National contest finalists, etc, etc, etc). Moreover, category cross-reference may play a factor in noteworthiness in this case. One of my original aims was to populate more cross-reference material. My submission on Talent Quest was intended and designed to document detail much like the entry for American Idol. That entry and its cross-reference categories leads to several biographical articles. Where is the distinction made in this case? What I can tell is that this article is based on a cross-reference infrastructure that does not yet exist. I really didn't see this point made in the "no vanity articles" guidelines. Is there a crisper policy guideline on "noteworthy" individuals? It would be useful before submitting further biographical articles. For instance, an individual who is an actor, and has been in several works... qualifies as "noteworthy" enough for article submission? The guidelines are gray, and I would like to better understand them. Thanks folks! - alvinc / 20:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Google is a tool, of course, and nothing more. One of the reasons I included my google results is so that other contributors can check my work. If others find information that I missed (especially through other resources of which I may be unaware), then by all means that information should be posted here. As a rule of thumb, though, if a person contributing to pop culture in any way is not well-represented in google, then chances are very few people have heard of that person. — NMChico24 00:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - fails WP:MUSIC for now -- Whpq 21:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Per WP:MUSIC, I believe the satisfies the following criterion "Has won or placed in a major music competition." -- alvinc 04:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above and also WP:VAIN. Eusebeus 21:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks Eusebeus. I do believe, however, that the article fits within the guideliness of "Does lack of fame make a vanity article?" in WP:VAIN. May I get your view on it? Thanks! -- alvinc 04:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. She seems notable, and WP:MUSIC should probably be reworked so that it doesn't exclude artists of considerable potential like this one. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 21:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Please elaborate on why you feel she's notable. Do you have information that is not present in my google results (which, as I've already admitted, may be incomplete)? If so, that information would be a good addition to this discussion. Your discussion of changes you'd like to see in WP:MUSIC, however, should go on that article's talk page. — NMChico24 00:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Per WP:MUSIC, I believe the satisfies the following criterion "Has won or placed in a major music competition." -- alvinc 04:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete basing an artist's notability on potential is inherently POV. Until she accually accomplishes something, she is just another artist who doesnt belong here. Resolute 03:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks Resolute for the clarification. I wish to submit, however, that per my cited note of WP:MUSIC quoting "Has won or placed in a major music competition.", the article qualifies for submission? -- alvinc 04:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment A small section of The Syracuse New Times mentions her first album has "scored a hit in the European market", though she's played few shows even locally due to the demands of her day job as of 5/31/06. http://newtimes.rway.com/2006/053106/chatter.shtml If Talent Quest qualifies as a major music competition, then she satisfies the criterion of WP:MUSIC that alvinc mentions. TransUtopian 03:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Just not quite notable enough yet. --Nlu (talk) 07:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Author's Note

Regardless of the decision of this thread, I want to thank all contributors for their participation. Your input is crucial to helping me understand the guidelines better, thereby helping me avoid wasting time with inappropriate articles! -- alvinc 09:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.