Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niki Ashton

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. —Cleared as filed. 02:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Niki Ashton

This article was previously speedied under CSD A7, but it was overturned and is now listed here for discussion. No vote Titoxd(?!?) 22:37, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Sure looks like vanity to me. Talking about a group she started in high school?? Come on now. However, if she wins the election, possibly there will be verifiable information about her. Can anyone comment on how important a politician she would be, if she won? Unless someone provides evidence of verifiability and significance, I'd say delete. Friday (talk) 22:50, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete for now. Smart young lady with an impressive CV (all the claims in the article are repeated in her bio on the linked site, so I assume we could verify them if we tried), but I'm not sure she's achieved anything that meets WP:BIO yet. Let's come back in five or ten years when she's started her career properly and see whether there's anything to write about then. — Haeleth Talk 23:07, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Doubt this is vanity. This is in the news because the current MP recently quit the NDP caucus over her repudiation due to the same sex marriage bill (see [1]). If she wins, keep her, but for now I suspect she and Desjarlais will split the NDP vote and the Grits or (possibly) Tories will come through. Dottore So 23:22, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • This news article verifies that she is running for political office. She is running for the House of Commons for the Churchill Riding against the incumbent and at least one other. The House of Commons has 308 members - making it similar to the US House of Representatives. The electoral district itself has only 48k voters making it, I believe, one of the smallest districts in Canada. According to our own article, it can take as few as 50 signatures to run for this office. Taken together, those factors indicate to me that merely being a candidate for this office is not sufficient. Niki Ashton is already mentioned (in greater detail) in the section on elections in the Churchill (electoral district) article. If she wins the election, I believe she will qualify under the recommended criteria for inclusion of biographies. As a candidate, I do not think she yet qualifies. Delete but without prejudice against re-creation if she is elected. Rossami (talk) 23:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak keep if it can be NPOV'd; otherwise delete as vanity. It seems she won nomination by a notable political party and is not just a student politician FRS 23:43, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: I realize she's up for a serious office. The reason I suspected vanity (and still do) is the mention of some group she started in high school. I see that she's currently (slightly) verifiable, but I still feel she's not very significant until she actually wins an important election. Friday (talk) 23:47, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete per Friday Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:53, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Something tells me she will get notable but she isn't quite yet.--Dakota t e 23:56, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

*Merge With Steve Ashton.

Strong Keep Is a notable candidate for next Federal election. Canadianism 04:31, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep a fairly prominent candidate in the upcoming election, already has 13 Google news hits. - SimonP 01:43, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand -- credible, major-party candidate for national legislative office, passes WP:BIO. -- Mwalcoff 02:54, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I am not sure if any of the keep votes come from Canadians, but I have to doubt it. The NDP is a national party, but let's be honest: in the VAST majority of ridings, they are no-hopers and should not be considered notable, per WP:BIO or anything else. The notability of this story comes from the same-sex marriage issue and the expulsion of Bev Desjarlais from caucus. Since the Liberals have recruited star candidate Tina Keeper [2] (from North of 60 blech), the likelihood of Ms. Ashton's winning, what with Desjarlais committed to stand again, is roughly, although not precisely, nil. A redirect to her father Steve Ashton, who is a provincial cabinet minister (and which may be related to how she managed to secure nomination form the riding association in the first place), might work if one is really bent on retaining something. Dottore So 17:52, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I might agree with you in many ridings, but the NDP won this one last time around. Plus, I don't want to be in the business of determining where the party has a chance and where it doesn't. -- Mwalcoff 03:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, or redirect and mention in the article Maclean205 mentioned (no merge). Candidiates for this sort of office are a dime a dozen througout history. Here in the US we have 435 of these every two years. -R. fiend 04:27, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, per SimonP. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete minor outsider in local election. Merge with an article on this election in this area if one exists. Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 11:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. I find Rossami's argument compelling. encephalon 13:30, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, per above voters. Christopher Parham (talk) 01:42, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep as per Mwalcoff. (Yes, I am an American, but my parents were Canadian, my uncle is a prominent retired Manitoba politician, and I follow Canadian politics closely.) MCB 22:11, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, she defeated an incumbent Member of Parliament for her party's nomination. This is an uncommon event and makes her newsworthy. At least keep until the election. Homey 05:04, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment: "Newsworthy" is not the same as "encyclopedic". I agree that the nomination would be appropriate to discuss in WikiNews. I'm not convinced that it meets any threshold here. Rossami (talk) 18:41, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Winning the nomination was a noteworthy accomplishment. CJCurrie 22:40, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete per Dottore So. There is so little to go on about her, that people have included such mundane information as her extra-curricular activities while in school and portions of her election platform from her website. If people want to know about that stuff, they can go to her website, rather then wasting an article on her that does nothing more then parrot what she has already said about herself. Perhaps an article listing all the federal ridings in Canada, plus each ridings party candidates coupled with links to their respective campaign websites would be in order. That sounds fair and unbiased for the other party candidates who have achieved the 'noteworthy accomplishment' of winning their nomination bids. Sub-Arctic 00:57, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep She is a pretty high-profile candidate in the upcoming election, having beaten Bev Desjarlais. God knows she's more notable than half the (mostly Conservative) candidates who seem to have just copied and pasted their bios themselves. Carolynparrishfan 14:05, 20 November 2005 (UTC)


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