Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nightclubs in Greece
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 04:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nightclubs in Greece
This is a very generic description of Greek nightclubs. Clarityfiend 04:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC) I'm having second thoughts on this one. Unlike the others just below I nominated, this has some real content, although a lot of it is littered with weasel words. Clarityfiend 05:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Feel free to withdraw it with some clean-up tags if you want, but I could support a deletion here anyway. FrozenPurpleCube 05:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
- Keep, albeit rather weakly. Surely there are some local newspapers or magazines that could be cited in support of this article. This page has a pretty minimal talk page, with no indication that the difficulties have been addressed elsewhere first. - Smerdis of Tlön 13:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
- Rename to Bouzoukia and keep. Corvus cornix 17:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
- As the author of this, I tried to portray the reality in Greek nightclubs and especially Bouzoukia (since the others are virtually the same as everywhere). There are numerous sources mainly in Greek contemporary magazines and newspapers, but all that I've written is common knowledge to anyone who has visited or lives in Greece (or seen any Greek-related film for that matter). I wouldn't call any piece of information in that article "controversial" or "disputed"; hence the reason why I didn't bother to include any sources. I did request for help in the article talkpage and in WP:GR, but it was in vain (probably everybody focuses on the Greco-Turkish Wars or Cyprus or Macedonia...) :-( NikoSilver 10:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- Regarding the renaming issue to plain Bouzoukia (for which there is already a redirect), indeed, the article talks mostly about them; but there should be additional content IMO for the other "normal" nightclubs too. I had chosen to do it like that because the info on the "normal" ones wouldn't merit a separate article yet. I have no serious objections, still if information is added there, we'll be compelled to go back and forth since it definitely is the "mother" article. NikoSilver 10:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- Having said all that, I hope this article survives and becomes what is deserved for this special kind of culture that is unique across the whole world. NikoSilver 10:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment What you think is common knowledge is not necessarily so. There is a reason why many things need to be sourced(see WP:V), and if you can provide some kind of source, that may convince people to keep the article. FrozenPurpleCube 14:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
- I know, I just don't have the time right now. I'll try better in the immediate future. Be aware: Such a spoiled brat that I am, I've been there, and done that myself! :-) Greeks and tourists from all over the world witness this stuff every night. I think the pictures speak for themselves for now. To understand how common knowledge that is for anybody who's been in Greece, I'll just tell you that there are quite a few dozens of "dog-joints" currently in operation in Athens alone as we speak, with singers like Anna Vissi, Despina Vandi, Vasilis Karras, Yiannis Parios, Elena Paparizou, Tolis Voskopoulos, Antonis Remos, Rouvas, Notis Sfakianakis... (just off the top of my head for now), with a clientèle of hundreds or even thousands of visitors every night. Check the background in the second picture and count heads. NikoSilver 12:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
- Comment What you think is common knowledge is not necessarily so. There is a reason why many things need to be sourced(see WP:V), and if you can provide some kind of source, that may convince people to keep the article. FrozenPurpleCube 14:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
