Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nigel Capel-Cure

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep- Peripitus (Talk) 05:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nigel Capel-Cure

This chap played a single first class cricket match for Essex in 1929, in which he didn't do terribly well with the bat (scoring 0 and 6), and bowling just 11 overs to take a slightly expensive 2-58. Basically, one swallow does not make a summer, the article does not claim notability and it should be deleted. Tony May (talk) 12:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Speedy keep: First-class cricketer. Meets notability guidelines. Bobo. 18:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Per User:Bobo192. Johnlp 18:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep as per above. Easily meets notability criteria. Andrew nixon 18:52, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep as per above. Speedboy Salesman 08:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete I don't know what notability criteria you guys are looking at that this person 'easily meets' but it doesn't appear to be the actual Wikipedia policy. See WP:BIO and point out to me where it says one game at a (high?) level qualifies someone as notable. AvruchTalk 00:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: The actual criteria are listed on the main page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket: "has appeared in at least one Test, ODI, ICC Trophy match from 2005, or ICC Trophy final prior to 2005 as player, umpire, coach or administrator [or] has appeared in at least one major (i.e., first-class or List A) match as a player". This individual meets the second of these criteria. Bobo. 01:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Can you explain how project notability criteria trump policy and WP-wide guidelines like WP:BIO? AvruchTalk 01:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia:Notability (people) states: "Competitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming or tennis." This player has played as part of a fully-professional team, in a fully professional match, albeit in a non-league setting. First-class cricket represents the second-highest level at which a player can play, and the phrasing "of equivalent standing" applies here. Bobo. 01:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
That applies to 'non-league sports' which I don't believe includes cricket. Is cricket a non-league sport? If not, then the fact that the player did not play 'in a fully professional league' would mean he is outside WP:BIO. That is pretty nitpicky wikilawyering, I admit, but why did he never play in a league game if he is worthy of being considered notable? I'll leave it to the admin I guess. AvruchTalk 01:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Simple answer is probably that he was too busy getting on with real life! Being a onetime first class cricketer doesn't necessarily mean that he was a bad cricketer, per se, just that on the one occasion he was available to play the game, he performed badly. No matter the skill at which the guy played the match - a guy who is picked to play first-class cricket for his county isn't just, to quote a recent AfD debate, "any random guy off the street". These guys have considerable cricketing pedigree outside of just their one high-level match, and as such their rise to play even in one game is not a fluke. Bobo. 01:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.