Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicholas Ray Hiltner

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was speedy delete by User:MacGyverMagic --Arnzy (whats up?) 10:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nicholas Ray Hiltner

Delete, contested prod, article claims notability, but this person seems to be non-notable. Prodego talk 21:45, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Speedy Delete this "internationally renowned artist" - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 21:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
    As long as the article claims he is notable, it can't be speedy deleted. And being a "internationally renowned artist", would make a person notable. :-) Prodego talk 21:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete for internationally well known, he's awfully underground[1]. Yanksox 21:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete The article itself makes it abundently clear that this is a person who is studying to be a possible internationally known artist...but hasn't really acheived anything of note just yet. If and when he does, then he might deserve an article. At this point, less so. IrishGuy talk 21:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • DO NOT Delete Those of us familiar with the art world know how remarkable the students of Jacob Collins are, and Nicholas is considered among his finest.Steveh1023 23:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment But, he's a student that has yet to attain notability. I guess this is all in the eye of the beholder. Let's give Nick the chance to become notable before we sing his praises. Yanksox 22:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I guess I find that to be a strange way of looking at things. After all, doesn't one become notable, in part, by others singing one's praise? And is it fair to label someone as not having attained notibility in a field with which you may not be familiar?Steveh1023 23:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Maybe I should clarify. A better saying would be don't count your chickens till they hatch...or something like that. Yanksox 22:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment "Don't count your chickens before they hatch" may be a fine saying, but not entirely applicable here, as I can assure you that Nicholas' chickens have already begun to hatch.Steveh1023 23:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment If they did, he would have at least one google hit, or a hit on any search engine, or be mentioned by some sort of information. So far, the signs point to the fact that this has yet to occur. Yanksox 22:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Try "Nicholas Hiltner" and you may be pleasantly, or perhaps unpleasantly in your case, surprised.Steveh1023 23:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • DO NOT Delete Please?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.143.69.126 (talk • contribs)
  • Comment No offense, but it's Hiltner's personal website, and a few other links describing how he is "(good at) navigating the web comes naturally to a new generation of artists—like himself. Hiltner participates in online art forums, posting images and receiving feedback."[2]. None of those articles show Hiltner is above and beyond the rest of his field. All, I know is that he is a sculptor. Ok, anything to tell me that he's notable? Nope. Sorry, let's not worry about Wikipedia but actually worry about the subject. I don't understand how having a wikipedia article suddenly makes you great. If you garner a wikipedia article, chances are Wikipedia is something you're not going to care terribly about. Yanksox 22:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment None taken, don't worry, but understand that my previous comment was simply negating yours, and showing that he did indeed have "at least one google hit, or a hit on any search engine, or be mentioned by some sort of information," no more, no less. And what, may I ask, prompted the rant on wikipedia making someone great? Certainly it was not something to be inferred from my simple comments.Steveh1023 23:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment You're right it was a little bit of an unprokoed rant, you can post messages on my talk page btw just to keep this article short, of something that I've been noticing. My little term that I call a Wikidream, in which people will post what they wish to do or overexagerate what they have done. I feel like I'm crushing dreams. But that's aside the point. I just really have to question Hiltner's notability. Yanksox 22:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete No notability whatsoever asserted for this artist in his early 20s. Five unique (seven total) Google hits for "Nicholas Hiltner". -- Kicking222 22:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Hi Steve, welcome to Wikipedia. Can you please sign your comments and posts with 4 tilde's please ~, thanks.--Andeh 23:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete It seems that if this guy was "internationally renowned" and prestigious enough to warrant a Wikipedia definition, he would have maybe won some sort of award or gotten some other recognition. If there was a link showing something like that, then the article would have some validity. Plus, he does have very few Google hits, and most if not all of them are stuff he probably put out there himself. Fisheromen 23:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Gentlemen, there comes a time when even the most dedicated of brothers must admit the failure of his ploys. I accept your gracious judgments, and I thank you for your undying dedication to purging wikipedia of non-notable articles, however curious it is that you've responded within a few minutes of the article's creation. Good day, and may the force be with you.Steveh1023 23:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
You know you don't have to leave right? I think your dedication to knowledge could be very valuable to Wikipedia. Yanksox 23:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Yes, but I believe my work here is complete. And so I thank you for your good counsel. Come, my coach! Steveh1023 23:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong delete All it says right now is his birth date. Mr. Lefty Talk to me! 23:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Keen observation, Mr. Lefty; indeed, I have committed Wikipedia suicide! Steveh1023 23:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment This should just be deleted and got over with, then. Fisheromen 00:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete Author conceded, so i think this qualifies for speedy now. Ace of Sevens 06:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.