Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New de Broglie's paradox

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The result was Speedy deleted under G5 (edits made by banned user). Hut 8.5 18:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New de Broglie's paradox

New de Broglie's paradox (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Original research; see related AFDs at Heisenberg's paradox and Inversion of logic in Schrödinger equation. Bm gub (talk) 01:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete. Definitely original research. Anturiaethwr 03:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete as original research; unsupported by reliable sources. -- MightyWarrior (talk) 11:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep It's not a theory, it's not a research. Therefore nobody can repute it as original. The de Broglie's interpretation on the relation λ=h/p indeed is disproved by that experiment (Michelson-Morley agglutinated to Davisson-Germer experiment). If any theorist want to refute such a fact, he can do it in the page Discussion.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.48.110.3 (talk • contribs) 11:57, 21 April 2008
MightyWarrior wrote: unsupported by reliable sources . So, MIghtWarrior claims that the Mathematics is not a reliable source. Therefore we cannot take seriously his opinion, since he states that he does not consider the Mathematics as a reliable source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.48.110.3 (talk • contribs) 11:57, 21 April 2008
    • Reply You are exactly right. If you read Wikipedia:Reliable Sources and WP:SYN you will see that application of mathematics is not a reliable source, it is synthesis, a form of Original Research that does not belong as the basis for an article in Wikipedia. -Verdatum (talk) 13:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete WP:OR.  Esradekan Gibb  "Talk" 12:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Obvious OR. Gandalf61 (talk) 12:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep The article shows a paradox. There is not such a thing as a original paradox. The paradox is a paradox. The paradox shown in the article is supported by the MATHEMATICS. Therefore the process of its verifiability must be made by considering the MATHEMATICS. If nobody discovered a paradox yet, it does not mean that it is an original paradox. There is not such a thing as original paradox. A paradox exists, or not. If the MATHEMATICS PROVES that the paradox exists, it makes no sense to call it as an original paradox. It is merely a paradox, and it exists thanks to the MATHEMATICS, and not because somebody discovered it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.141.116.203 (talk • contribs) 14:10, 21 April 2008
I suspect that the above editor is the same user as 189.48.110.3 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS) -- MightyWarrior (talk) 16:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
And again, the first rule to discuss AfD: "The debate is not a vote; please make recommendations on the course of action to be taken, sustained by arguments".
  • Delete as WP:OR and complete nonsense. --Bduke (talk) 01:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Bduke said: ...and nonsense too
Dear Bduke, you must prove what you say. It's easy to claim that somebody says nonsense. Look, for example I can write: "Bduke says nosenses". But I would have to prove that you say nonsenses. Dont you think so?
And again, the first rule to discuss AfD: "The debate is not a vote; please make recommendations on the course of action to be taken, sustained by arguments".
Comment. To the second point, I did. I said delete as OR, which it clearly is. On the first point, the Quantum Ring Theory appears to be noticed by no reliable scientific sources. It is merely the work of one man who dreamed it up. I still maintain it is nonsense. Now, while AfD is not a vote, it is conventional to bold the word "Keep" only once and introduce comments on other comments with the word "comment" as I have just done. In that way the closing admin can get a good quick idea of the consensus before looking deeper. Also please sign your comments with ~~~~. --Bduke (talk) 07:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Arthur Rubin wrote: "That it is a paradox is WP:OR as we define it".
Well, Arthur, in such a case we must delete the article Wave–particle duality, where it's written the following, concerning to de Broglie's paradox:
"Various interpretations of quantum mechanics attempt
to explain this ostensible paradox".
The theorists noted the de Broglie's paradox many years ago. However, the old version of de Broglie's paradox is only philosophical.
This New de Broglie's paradox shows the old de Broglie's paradox from a new way: via mathematics. Therefore the argument in favor of this new version of the de Broglie's paradox is stronger, because it is supported by the mathematics, while the old version was supported by philosophical arguments only.
Comment. No, the old version can be supported by sources. The mathematics has not been. We report sources, so this article is original research as "we define it" as Arthur Rubin said. --Bduke (talk) 07:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Comment If you look at the related AfDs, This user appears to have a history of Sockpuppetry, be sure to take note of that when tallying votes. -Verdatum (talk) 13:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


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