Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Zealand business forums

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sr13 02:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Zealand business forums

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This has been speedily deleted once and the author contests this one, so let's give it a formal AfD vote and let him make his case. I don't see how it can be kept in its current form. Perhaps the five days will lead to improvement so it can be retained. KrakatoaKatie 03:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete as nominator. - KrakatoaKatie 03:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:WEB. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 03:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:WEB for lack of sources Corpx 05:25, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as noted above; reference links were not valid when I checked, seems like a lead-in to a business venture. Vespid 05:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Author cannot be bothered to create correct links and there is no evidence of notability. -- RHaworth 07:49, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. There could be an article on business organisations in New Zealand but this is not it. Its main purpose seems to be to promote the organisation linked to. Capitalistroadster 03:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 03:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

reply to all. hi i just found this page. and to set the record straight its not becuase i "could not be bothered" some of us are not as familiar with wiki as others. please dont take a dim view becuase it doesnt meet your expectations. it takes a lot of time to write something. the links,,, well take them out i really dont care... as i have already stated i wanted to write about new zealand, but have put some reference links in so theres some content. do you think i own government organisations c'mon? yes feel free to edit the article BUT please dont delete. if you;ve been to new zealand you'd know that there is a need fos such information. so lets make a nice post on wiki about business forums. 81.179.79.205 10:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Kia ora, welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for your explanation. I see that you've referred to three websites so it does seem unlikely you own all three, but I can't see any evidence that any of them are government organisations. However this is mostly a side-point. The main issue, to me, is that the article as it stands reads more like an essay promoting business forums in general than like an informational encyclopaedia article. It's tricky getting the balance right, but the best guideline I can suggest is that Wikipedia articles should be based on information stated in multiple reliable independent sources. At the moment much of the article has come directly from your own knowledge, and the rest has come from a press release provided by a company which is biased towards promoting the concept.

If you can find newspaper articles (eg the Herald, Press, Otago Daily Times, etc) or journal articles (Monash Business Review, Journal of international business studies, etc etc - try your public/university/business library) or respected websites (this is trickier but ideally it shouldn't be run by volunteers and shouldn't be affiliated with the business forums themselves) which discuss the topic, then you can use information from those sources (restating in your own words and citing the source each time) to write an article of the sort Wikipedia wants.

Also, an article with this title should be talking not about business forums in general (that information would be appropriate in a general "Business forums" article), but specifically about New Zealand business forums -- is there something different about business forums here than in the rest of the world? A list of NZ business forums isn't sufficient, as that's more appropriate to a Yahoo web directory than a Wikipedia encyclopaedia article.

As the article stands, I'd vote delete, however if it's rewritten as above I'd happily change my vote. Also note that if it is deleted, there's nothing to stop it being rewritten and recreated -- it's just that if you do that it still needs to be rewritten in an encyclopaedic way or it'll just be deleted again.... I hope this makes sense and is useful. --Zeborah 21:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.