Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New York Marriott Marquis

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 17:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New York Marriott Marquis

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A big concrete slab of a hotel, with one weak assertion of notability (a big atrium). Clarityfiend 20:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep an inadequate article, but I think all major city hotels as are other public-use structures of that degree of importance are likely to be notable. Being a big ugly slab is no reason fore deletion from wikipedia, whatever it may have done to the cityscape. In fact, if there have been public complaints....DGG (talk) 20:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, pretty famous hotel, though it does need better sources. A search at Google News for "Marriott Marquis" "New York" comes up with 113 hits, and most of the first two pages have to do with several different industries presenting their annual awards there. Corvus cornix 20:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep one of the more famous hotels in one of the world's major cities. Easily notable enough. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 21:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak delete a close call in my viewchanged see below; being a venue for events is not distinguishing for a big-city hotel; I'm sure most of them have their share of awards, conferences, holiday parties, weddings, live music, etc. Unless something more substantial can be found, like WP:RSes that discuss the place rather than what other people no doubt pay the place to have happen there, it seems not notable. I've looked through the first several pages of ghits for "New York Marriott Marquis" and it seems all travel sales/offers or event notices with the exception of the architect's page. For such a big building, one would have expected some mention by reliable sources, to establish its notability, but I couldn't find any. Carlossuarez46 21:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Keep in light of the sources found by Zagalejo below. Carlossuarez46 00:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep A New York Times archive search will provide enough articles about the actual construction of the hotel. Here are a few I found:
Damon Stetson. "Putting Together a 50-Story Extravaganza." Jan 8., 1984. Page R1.
Paul Goldberger. "Marriott Marquis Hotel: An Edsel in Times Square?" Aug. 31, 1985. Page 25.
Ethan Schwartz. "Marriott Marquis Opens Its Doors" Sept. 4, 1985. Page B1.
I'm sure there are other sources available, as well. (Eg, architecture publications, which probably aren't viewable online.)Zagalejo 21:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, notable hotel for its size and location.. I would like to see more sources. I am sure that when it was first announced that it was going to be built there were plenty of articles about it. Callelinea 22:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per notability.--JForget 22:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep, per above. Naufana : talk 23:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Per above. Very notable location, size and hotel company. NYT refs alone above to boot. The nom's "A big concrete slab of a hotel" is a very obvious example of WP:IDONTLIKEIT.--Oakshade 14:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep A notable building by a notable architect, who invented, or at least popularized the atrium style hotel. Portman had been trying for years to build one in New York after building similar (but better) hotels around the country, many of which became iconic structures. Portman and his particular style are underappreciated these days, and vulnerable to WP:IDONTLIKEIT. One problem with New York is that a building that would be a landmark in any other city is just another 50-story building in New York. The nominator may not like the building - I don't either - but it is certainly notable. I'll look through my library/big stack of books for refs - they all seem to be on the bottom of the pile. Acroterion (talk) 18:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm working on some notability guidelines for architecture with WikiProject Architecture people that may help in the future. It's got some distance to go: I'm not ready to put it up for comment yet. Acroterion (talk) 03:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Comment Why does everybody assume I nominated this article because of dislike? Frankly, I don't care one way or the other. As I noted originally, it made very little claim to notability, especially for someone unfamiliar with New York. Clarityfiend 04:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Hell, I don't like it - I don't know anybody who really does. I'll take a shot at editing and sourcing once I've found the box my sources are in. Acroterion (talk) 16:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Hotel is clearly notable. Article fails basic Wikipedia standards, including a complete lack of sources, which must be added. Alansohn 05:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and rewrite the topic is notable and worthy enough to be included in this article, but I think it needs a rewrite or at least something short of it. Some things, such as the renovation (which seemed complete when I stayed at the hotel two years ago) and the statement where few rooms have views of Times Square because it had a bad reputation at the time of construction-- seem innacurate and should be ommitted.
  • Strong Keep, as it has unique architecture, was vitally important historically as part of the Times Square gentrification, and site of many notable conventions, including the New York State Bar Association. I wish I could afford to stay there! It's one of the best pieces of modern architecture, a really fine addition to the New York City skyline. Bearian 20:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy keep WP:SNOW. Vegaswikian 02:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep With large corporations holding conferences there, there is likely to be at least one news article saying how it's taken place. With a unique architecture, it'd be mentioned in some journal. So, there must be some notability.--Kylohk 15:48, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.