Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Ivy League

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The result was delete. Sr13 00:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Ivy League

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one Newsweek article does not notable a group make. the article creator also sites several other stories about the 'new ivy league' but all reference back to the one Newsweek article. delete Cornell Rockey 03:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Strong delete Newsweek pulls this shtick all the time. People should know not to take them seriously. YechielMan 04:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Clarification: Newsweek's reporting is reliable, but when they claim 25 colleges are the "New Ivy League" instead of "25 good colleges", they're using hyperbole to sell copies. YechielMan 04:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong delete Newsweek neologism.Bigdaddy1981 04:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • DELETE per yechieBalloonman 04:33, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as a single use term that Newsweek concocted for an article. Montco 05:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: article about this was previously voted for deletion. DMacks 07:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Almost a year later and still nothing more than a neologism. Hasn't caught on or appear to have been used anywhere except in the context of a single magazine article. DMacks 07:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, even if Newsweek is reliable we still need sources demonstrating notability. There's talk about this so-called second tier but it doesn't have a real definition or name as yet. --Dhartung | Talk 07:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Only one use does not define a term. --Tone 09:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as marketing cruft and single-sourced neologism. Technically this may be a speedy candidate, since it's a re-creation of New Ivies, but completing another AfD discussion ought not to hurt anything. This is still a neologism whose meaning is not established apart from the one annual magazine issue that uses the term. Notice that all the PR pieces referring to the "New Ivy League" say things like "Newsweek and Kaplan named the school a 'New Ivy'" rather than using the term by itself as though anyone would simply know what it meant. Contrast this to Public Ivy or Little Ivy, both of which articles (despite sharing some of the same neologistic promotional nature) at least document and cite multiple independent uses of the term to mean roughly the same thing. -- Rbellin|Talk 12:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per above. Evilclown93(talk) 19:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Ivies, WP:NEO, although I have to say the term is popular at the school I go to, RPI. Danski14(talk) 22:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete The Ivy League is an athletic conference of east coast private schools which are great academically. Any other listing of "New" Ivies is just a display of envy and imitation. This neologism does not have sufficient sourcing. Edison 23:03, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Neutral There are arguments both ways. U.S. News does its annual list of colleges, and I agree that Newsweek's description of a "New Ivy League" does appear to be a title designed to get attention; and it's based on the judgment of Newsweek, or perhaps a panel of educators that the magazine picked. There is no reference or link to the Ivy League (nor is there a "see also" link there to this article). The Ivy League article does have links to other college lists, however, and this list would fall in that category. If it stays, change the title to 'Newsweek's "New Ivy League" (2005)' or whenever the list came out. As someone else pointed out, it lacks permanence. It's a matter of time until Newsweek comes out with a cover story on the NEW New Ivy League.Mandsford 23:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete just a headline. JJL 23:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Lets look at the article Public Ivy, here it is mentioned

A later book titled The Public Ivies: America's Flagship Public Universities (2001) by Howard and Matthew Greene of Greenes' Guides expanded upon the list in the first book to include 30 colleges and universities. That book listed the following as Public Ivies

I am sorry, but I believe that if an article like Public Ivy, which clearly has just shown a list of what this book considers the "Public Ivies" then why can't the New Ivies be in the same category? In the article Public Ivy it is mentioned that there are some discrepancies as with other sources. Secondly, many of the universities that were listed in the Newsweek list have used this so called "neologism" in their websites. They have referred to the term New Ivy League Misantropo 01:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Delete, use in one magazine article does not constitute a viable neologism, especially considering that the way they defined it (by listing 25 or so schools) is highly subjective. I didn't take the time to read the other articles, but I'm sure that their use of the term is in reference to the Newsweek article and not an independent use of the term. --Cjs56 21:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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