Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neverness

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge into A Requiem for Homo Sapiens. — Scientizzle 16:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neverness

Neverness (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Yet another book with no ascertion of notability. Did it get close to winning anything? Anything else that could ascertain notability? Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 15:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

  • I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:
Order of Mystic Mathematicians and Other Seekers of the Ineffable Flame (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Ede the God (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Silicon God (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
April Colonial Intelligence (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
A Requiem for Homo Sapiens (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Note: see related discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vild. Tualha (Talk) 03:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete All per nom. All fail WP:BK. No assertion of notability, although A7 isn't applicable to books. Not 100% sure that the author himself (David Zindell) would pass WP:BIO if the issue were raised. Tevildo 18:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Some resources: Old website that could be used to show notability. Review. Relevant quotations from the book. The precursor to Neverness, "Shanidar", gave Zindell recognition with the "L. Ron Hubbard Presents Writers of the Future" (src). Also, it is interesting to note the actual reviews given to the book by such authors as Orson Scott Card asserting "I wish I would have written this book," etc. Maybe we can accept that as proclaimed relevance from other sources (Card) already considered relevant here? /me is new to the deletion defense process. -- kanzure 19:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
    • WP:BK is the appropriate guideline. The Orson Scott Card review would be a very useful factor to demonstrate its notability - if you have a link to it, or a reference to the magazine it appeared in, you should add it to the article. The same goes for the other books, if similar references are available. I'm afraid that fansites and fanzines don't count as reliable sources (see WP:RS) - there won't be a problem with you including links to them in the article, but they won't, by themselves, help it get through AfD. Tevildo 20:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
      • 'Merge per JulesH. :) Thank you for the clarifications. -- kanzure 03:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all for lack of notability. The neverness article is just plot summary, which is a violation of WP:NOT. Somebody's personal site is not a notable reference Corpx 21:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all. Card's reference would have to be in a published review -- what people let publishers say on ads and on book jackets is not a RS for anything. I support articles including reasonable plot summaries, or even primarily devoted to reasonable length plot summaries, but the absurdly detailed plot summary in the main article here is what gave plot summaries a bad name. The articles about individual characters are even less justified than the main article.DGG (talk) 00:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge all to A Requiem for Homo Sapiens. Book series isn't important enough to warrant an entire category of articles, but it is a well-known series written by a popular author, so should probably be included. References for the series include [1] (just the first paragraph, but describes it as containing "the most striking writing, vivid spectacles, memorable characters and insightful presentations of philosophy and religion seen in SF for many a year"), [2], “Neverness, David Zindell” by Faren Miller, (br) Locus v21:3 No.326 Mar 1988, “The Broken God, David Zindell” by Faren Miller, (br) Locus v31:3 No.392 Sep 1993, “The Wild, David Zindell” by Faren Miller, (br) Locus v37:1 No.426 Jul 1996, “War in Heaven, David Zindell” by Faren Miller, (br) Locus v40:1 No.444 Jan 1998, “David Zindell’s Neverness” by Julian R. Bliss, (br) Overspace #10 1990, [3], [4], [5], etc... JulesH 09:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge per JulesH. Burzmali 15:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge but please do make sure the print refs (Locus et al) hit the article, too, not just the AfD debate. MrZaiustalk 06:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge all other articles into A Requiem for Homo Sapiens per JulesH. Even the Vorkosigan Saga doesn't get one article per book. Tualha (Talk) 00:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.