Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neg Dupree

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus to delete. Editors encouraged to trim the article in proportion to the actor's notability, keeping only material that is well sourced. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neg Dupree

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nn person. fails WP:V, WP:N, and WP:RS. There are no independent, reliable, and verifiable third party sources that backs up claims made on the article. No references or citations. and most of the article is about a segment/act of a television show called "Balls of Steel". nat.utoronto 13:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I have edited the page take make it Notable and make it meet WP:BIO standards. nat.utoronto claimed that "There are no independent, reliable, and verifiable third party sources that backs up claims made on the article. No references or citations. and most of the article is about a segment/act of a television show called Balls of Steel" Since my edits this is no longer true. There are independent, reliable, and verifiable third party sources that backs up claims made on the article. There are references or citations. The article is no longer only about a segment/act of a television show called Balls of Steel. Therefore this article no longer be deleted, as the deletion argument is no longer valid. Ijanderson977 (talk) 22:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

It should stay as this is a satisfactory article on a notable subjectHarry-fox (talk) 15:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Weak keep, seems vaguely notable. Stifle (talk) 19:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. If I understand this correctly, he has only made cameo appearances thus far? I'll continue to look for better sources. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 22:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep – Hilarious. He also appears on the show Balls of Steel, so keep per Ijanderson977 Kareeser|Talk! 05:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment @ Coccyx Bloccyx Unfortunately, you don't understand correctly as he has only had one Cameo appearance, the rest is just him working as a normal actor. Ijanderson977 (talk) 15:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Thank you IJanderson977 for raising this point. Can you clarify which films he appeared in as a regular actor, other than this Balls of Steel thing? Much appreciated, Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 18:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Comment @ Coccyx Bloccyx - He isnt really a film actor, he has only appeared in one film. He is a British television actor, here is list of all the programmes he has been in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neg_Dupree#Television
He has also works for Kerrang Radio. Ijanderson977 (talk) 18:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Sorry, but Channel4 and E4 are not independent, reliable, and verifiable third party sources as they are the main broadcasters of the program of "Balls of Steel (UK TV series)"; TV.com is not reliable as it seems anyone with a free account can edit it; www.movietome.com/ is own by the same corporation that owns TV.com and essentially uses the same info; and www.timshaw.co.uk/, well, the claims that "Neg's Urban Sports have been seen by over 11 million people on YouTube." has not been verified by a creditable source, nor has it been verified by YouTube, or Google Inc., which owns YouTube; imdb.com is not reliable either as an artist or someone with an account could create a profile. nat.utoronto 19:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment. So, are you basically accusing Channel 4 of making stuff up? The whole RS idea is to prevent hoaxing and posting of lies and false material and stuff that violates WP:BLP. I can't see corporate websites doing that. 23skidoo (talk) 23:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Sorry, but when you are looking for information on television actors, television channel sites are usually a good starting point because believe it or not, they have information on televison and this is what this article is partly about . Also, what is wrong www.timshaw.co.uk this seems to be an independent, reliable, and verifiable third party source. imdb.com what is wrong with this site too, it also seems to be good source for actors. I have used television sites, since this is Neg Dupree's field. This does make sense if you think about it. Ijanderson977 (talk) 19:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
    • As I have stated before imdb.com is not reliable either as an artist or someone with an account could create a profile. nat.utoronto 19:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Well imdb.com is saying a similar thing to vivienneclore.com and you can not edit that site. Also im not really aware that Youtube report claims as you have mentioned, however take a look at this [1], this one clip has had over 885,000 alone. Ijanderson977 (talk) 19:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
  • and this one [2] over a million 1,073,000 plays, so i think we can belive the 11 million play count to be true Ijanderson977 (talk) 19:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
    • 1) that would be assuming 2) Original Research. nat.utoronto 19:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
      • As well, vivienneclore.com is not an independent third party source as Clore and company have some sort of working relationship and or connection to Dupree and some of his fellow "Balls of Steel"ers. nat.utoronto 20:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
      • To be more precise, according to Neg's website, Clore is Neg's agent: [3]. nat.utoronto 21:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Im not using the original research to edit the page, im just showing you the youtube videos, to prove that the claim is true, as you doubted the claim. Ijanderson977 (talk) 20:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 20:52, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been re-listed on 2008-05-05 for further input. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 18:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Only citatons are facebook, MySpace, IMDb, or otherwise unreliable. He has a few credits here and there, but not quite enough to meet WP:BIO yet. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 18:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong delete per WP:BIO and WP:RS. ArcAngel (talk) 18:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep based upon the Balls of Steel involvment and citation by the official website of a nationally broadcast television network in the United Kingdom, unless someone can prove the Channel 4 website is posting bogus information in which case someone notify the UK broadcasting authorities. 23skidoo (talk) 23:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:Reliable sources. Do you know me?...then SHUT UP!!! Sarcasm is beauty 00:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep for similar reasons as Bryan Pisano. Sgt. bender (talk) 02:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. Subject seems semi-notable. I think there's enough there for a stub, but it needs some trimming. Celarnor Talk to me 10:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Sadly, weak keep. I don't think much of this guy, but he seems to just creep over the notability line. There are citations to E4. However, the image is probably a copyvio. Stifle (talk) 20:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC) Sorry, I seem to have double-voted. Stifle (talk) 09:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
  • STRONG KEEP the subject's appearances on Balls of Steel have gained a substantial following in the UK - on top of which, his segments routinely get around about a million views on Youtube - certainly making him a well known, albeit cult, figure. A useful page, although could be trimmed to stub. Benjaminski (talk) 14:24, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


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