Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Neal Chase

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP. -Splashtalk 03:02, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Neal Chase

Was tagged as CSD but after reading the article and the talk page I find it meets the standars of a biography, but may still be non-notable. Abstain. — JIP | Talk 09:00, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep. The leader of a religious denomination is certainly notable. Logophile 13:16, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
  • KEEP. This biography is about the current leader of the Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant. More work needs to be done to it and it will be tended to shortly. A simple Google of this individual brings up several dozen hits. He has authored nine press releases, been a guest on the Art Bell Coast to Coast radio show, and has been the subject of papers and a book written by the Professor Rob Balch of the U. of Montana as well as the historian Vernon Johnson. He is a central figure in the BUPC's history. He meets every requirement for a biography. User:Jeffmichaud
  • Definitly Keep. To delete this page would be going against every standard of Wikipedia. Neal Chase has been one of the most prolific writers/contributors to the BUPC and has made more discoveries than can be counted in regards to the salient features of the truth to the Baha'i Revelation. He was the one who compiled the historical and accurate genealogy of Baha'u'llah that traces Baha'u'llah's lineage back through the Exilarchs seated on the Throne of David in Babylon,in an unbroken chain of father to son descendants of David all the way back to King David himself. He has been acknowledged by local and national media as being the one who accurately predicted the first bombing of the Trade Towers on February 26, 1993 as well as the Towers collapse on September 11, 2001 continually warning the world through press releases and published material of the exact scenario of the war in Iraq and the final attack on New York City. Neal Chase is acknowledged throughout the globe, in France, England, Austrailia, Africa, Russia, The United States, India, the Netherlands, the Dutch West Indies and the Comoroes Islands as the Guardian of the Baha'i Faith, that descendant of David through Baha'u'llah who is seated at the head of the true Universal House of Justice. Whether you believe that fact or not, does not mean that it should not be given its equal space on this forum. This is the essence of Justice. The facts speak for themselves. User:Vwoodsong
    • Above was actually posted by 63.251.185.5 (talk · contribs)
  • Keep. Deleting this page is to be actively against the provisions of the Will and Testament of Abdul Baha ! Rastaprezident
  • Keep, as obviously notable. Carioca 19:10, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Speedy Keep as obvious as it gets. Zordrac 00:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Keep As I read the guidelines for biograpies this individual does not meet these criteria.

:This individual is still alive and does not meet any of the specific criteria for people still alive. If Chase has indeed authored a published book, and that can be documented, then this vote would naturally be Keep. Authoring press releases doesn't get over that bar. Googling '"Neal Chase" Baha'i' generates "about 100" hits — hardly "lots." (By comparison, Googling '"L. Ron Hubbard" Scientology' generates "about 779,000" hits — 7,790 times the Chase hits.) :Further, no reliable sources are cited for this article. The only sources are online which are considered dubious sources. As near as I can tell these pages are basically original research which is not allowed. MARussellPESE 14:29, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

The original editor has finally produced independent documentation on notability. The books cited below can not be found at Amazon.com so they can't be verified. Many of the items noted below are not published or mirror sites, and there are several sources that wikipedia specifically bans: usenet boards and chat rooms. That's for other editors to clean up. However, the subject apparently has been the subject of much local media coverage, which does make it over the bar. MARussellPESE 21:25, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • KEEP (duplicate vote) As it is that the previous user is a member of the "Baha'i World Faith" who are in direct opposition to those who are Baha'is Under the Provisions of the Covenant, it seems that the only reason this user would seek to delete this page is that it is about a person who espouses different beliefs than his own, hardly a reason to delete other than religious prejudice. Mr. Chase has a number of published works through Page10 Publishers Inc. as well as BUPC Publishers which are neither "Dubious" or misleading or otherwise. Mr. Chase is not only the author of several notable publications but also is the Head of a recognized religious denomination, whether the previous user agrees with this fact or not.user:Vwoodsong
  • KEEP-His contributions, publications, and notability are as follows:
PUBLICATIONS
Neal Chase is the author of several published books, of note are:
He has also been published in Harper’s Magazine (February 1995), and the Anthology, The End of the World (1997) by Lewis H. Lapham
Anthology, Includes:
  • Epic of Gilgamesh, Moses Genesis, Plato, Virgil, Isaiah, Mark, Josephus, Pliny, John, Augustine, Joachim de Fiore, Da Vinci, Columbus, Nostradamus, Shakespeare, George Washington, Mary Shelley, Charles Darwin, Karl Marx, Jack London, Freud, H.L. Menkin, Primo Levi, and Neal Chase
MEDIA
Radio and Television:
  1. He has been guest on the Art Bell Radio Show in 1994,
  2. He appeared on Michael Moore’s TV Nation, aired on NBC and BBC
  3. He has appeared on KUFM Public Radio in Montana
  4. And for 9 years hosted the television program Baha’i Phone-Live on MCAT from 1992-2001
Newspapers:
  1. “Killing People to Get Elected” (1992) by Neal Chase
  2. Published in the Phoenix Liberator
  3. Articles about him and his work:
  4. The Missoulian (January 29, 1991) “Baha’i: Deer Lodge Sanctuary)” Front page.
  5. The Montana Standard (Feb. 9, 1991) “Ezekiel’s Temple in Montana!”
  6. The Missoula Independent (July 17-24, 1997) “Millennial Fever” Front page.
  7. The Missoulian (Sept. 20, 2001) “9-11: A Time to Weep”
ACADEMIC STUDIES:
Chase and his work is also the subject of several academic studies concerning the Sociology of Religion and the History of the Baha’i faith. Two of these are:
  • Millennium, Messiahs, and Mayhem: Contemporary Apocalyptic Movements (1997) by Tom Robbins
  • Expecting Armageddon (2000) edited by Jon R Stone
ONLINE publications resources:
Harvard University Committee for the Study of Religion
Wikipedia
Publications: “World Civil War”, referred to in 15 Wikipedia pages:
  1. [1] Whose Assassination Sparked World War One?]
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Other references:
  1. Mason Remey and his Followers - 2002 edition
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  4. [18]
  5. [19]
Legal Cases:
United Nations (WIPO)
User:Jeffmichaud 23:07 2 Dec. 05
  • Weak keep I just want to point out that the 15 URLs listed above are mostly wikipedia mirrors and open resources such as wikis. The "Other references" refer to personal websites and forums..... A teeeny bit of self-referencing is going on methinks... Nevertheless he is (as far as I'm aware) a religious leader
  • Keep. Given his position in a real religious organization [20], his newspapers' appearance and his publications, he has passed the notability tests. Besides, I think this biography article has more information/assertion on notability than an average one in Wikipedia.--Hurricane111 15:44, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Seems notable enough to meet WP:BIO. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 00:51, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.