Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natural Born Spitters

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE —Whouk (talk) 18:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Natural Born Spitters

I don't think these guys are particularly notable. Google doesn't give a whole lot in the way of hits, AMG hasn't heard of them, and at the very least the tone of the text is very, very far from NPOV ("Their calm but confident swagger for their music is impressive."), especially as the article has apparently been written by their promoter. Delete. -- Captain Disdain 16:32, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

NOTE: Additionally, I'd also like to list Rahim Muhammad and Imam Bilal-Firmin, AKA Rah Vital and E'Flash, respectively, under the same AfD simply because their only claims to fame are being members of this group and and they have been listed by the same person -- the group's apparently promoter -- who wrote this article. -- Captain Disdain 16:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete all No notability, vanity, advertisement, etc. -- Kicking222 16:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete WP:AUTO, WP:NOT free web host for promotion (speedy delete for band members, under A7, as being a band memeber is not an assertion of notability) MartinRe 16:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
  • What do you mean talking about "free web host for promotion," MartinRe? — Luka (Verbal Vets) 05:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - They only have 50 unique G-hits, most of that being Myspace and counter site hits. One of those hits is to a Boston Globe article (about up and coming Boston-area rappers) that claims a whole 1000 sales of their album. Maybe a year or two from now they'll make it, but they just haven't hit WP:MUSIC yet. RGTraynor 16:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Don't call us, we'll call you. PJM 17:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

• Gosh, what shall I do now? First and foremost I thank y'all for all your valuable remarks regarding my article. On the other hand, I ask you for understanding, mates..I'm absolute beginner and have never written any article for Wikipedia before... Luka (Verbal Vets) 22:27, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Hey, really, don't worry about it, Luka. It's not like we hate you now; many of us have done things exactly like this when we first started to edit Wikipedia. It takes a bit of experience to figure out what kind of articles are appropriate for Wikipedia and what aren't. There's no harm done. -- Captain Disdain 23:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Thank y'all very much, I got it. You're absolutely right. Now I see my mistakes, and understand all your remarks, thanks. I need to respect Wikipedia's terms and conditions...so if you make a decision, and my article is supposed to be deleted/edited, I really don't mind it. Please do the right things. 1.. — Luka (Verbal Vets) 15:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
    • By the way, please don't get me wrong...indeed I don't want it to get deleted but do I have any other choice? — Luka (Verbal Vets) 05:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
      • I'll just copy what I said in our discussion on my talk page here: I understand that you don't want it deleted, but you have to understand that the subject of the article really doesn't meed Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. I sympathize, but there's really nothing I can do about it. Not every band and not every person is eligible for inclusion in Wikipedia. Of course, if you think that the subject of the article is notable enough, you can always make your argument for it in the AfD. If it turns out that you're right, it will be taken into account; people change their minds in AfDs all the time when someone makes a convincing argument for notability or importance. But honestly? I don't think you can pull it off in this case, because Natural Born Spitters just isn't an important group yet -- not to the world at large. The fact that you're involved with them makes them very important to you, and I respect that, but that also makes you biased. And please believe that I'm not saying that to be mean, I'm just saying that simply existing isn't enough to warrant inclusion in Wikipedia. It doesn't mean that Natural Born Spitters won't make it big in a year or two, but at that point, someone else will write the article about them. I realize that this probably isn't what you'd like to hear, but I'm not going to lie to you here -- I don't think there's a whole lot you can do about this. -- Captain Disdain 11:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Doesn't seem to be notable enough for an encylopaedia. Zaxem 12:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. --Fdp 15:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.